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[Pat Riley]

Quando o Kobe se retirar o D12 já não está nos Lakers por isso essa comparação não faz sentido.

[Carson Wentz]

David Lee better than advertised

por JM Poulard

 

Sometimes, players can spend their entire careers being below the radar because of things that they can’t always control. Coaching, effort, contracts and selfishness have always been constants in the NBA and consequently many players have been affected by these issues, but not necessarily by their own doing. The best example of this is occurring at the moment in Sacramento. Far be it for me to suggest that DeMarcus Cousins is a selfish player, but how else should we characterize how he’s played this season as well as his overall attitude based on his most recent incident with his head coach? The end result is that rest of the roster has been affected and compromised in some ways.

 

And one could say that this has occurred with David Lee. During his time in New York, it’s not so much that the team was dysfunctional — although the franchise certainly was — but rather that the Knicks always had their eyes on the future… On LeBron James. Consequently, it didn’t matter one bit that David Lee was stringing along double doubles like an All-Star, he was just some guy playing on a bad team and getting his numbers. In his final season in New York, Lee averaged 20.2 points and 11.7 rebounds per game on 54.5 percent field goal shooting. But his numbers really weren’t all that impressive to most considering that he played in Mike D’Antoni’s fast paced offense that rewarded playing matador defense and also, it was hard to argue that his production led to wins when the Knicks won 29 games that year. Lee would probably get paid based on his production, but not in NY. The Knicks were going to finally get their savior in LeBron James and maybe he would bring in Chris Bosh, Joe Johnson, Dwyane Wade, Amar’e Stoudemire or Carlos Boozer. No one knew whom, but James wasn’t coming alone. The harsh reality was actually that James wasn’t coming at all. The Knickerbockers signed and traded Lee to Golden State where many assumed he would again put up numbers for a losing team. And well, he did.

 

The Florida product scored, rebounded, dished the ball every now and then and made more than half of his shots. His defense was subpar, but in fairness he played it how it had been taught to him for the most part. But yet and still, his production was often marginalized because many felt he didn’t swing games, which may have been true in some respects, but things began to change a little last season. The team still lost more games than it actually won, but the victories often had something to do with Lee. He posted up and flashed his nice hook shot, got himself involved in the pick-and-roll game with both his finishing and passing ability. Under Mark Jackson, Lee has been a stud, there’s no way around it. He’s rebounded in traffic, played decent positional defense and been a team guy throughout the season as the Warriors are finally winning their fair share of games with the 6’9’’ power forward.

 

The big man is not only appreciated by Warriors fans, but he is finally getting some much deserved recognition. Over at ESPN.com, Chris Broussard (Insider) picked the brains of coaches, executives and scouts to get their thoughts on Golden State’s starting power forward. Here’s what an opposing coach had to say:

 

“The knock on David Lee has always been that he can fill up the stat sheet but he’s not going to help you win games. I used to have that perception of him, too, but now he’s answering a lot of his critics because he’s winning games and he’s playing at a high level. He’s scoring, he’s rebounding, he’s defending and he’s making some big plays. He’s definitely not just along for the ride.”

Indeed, throughout his career in Golden State, Lee’s contributions have improved and helped the team get to the point where it is today. The offense has always been good with Lee on board, even in the Monta Ellis days — which isn’t that far away really, but it seems like years ago — as the team typically scored north of 100 points per 48 minutes when he was on the court. But the real kicker has actually been his improved play defensively. The progression has been subtle and it’s also helped that he’s played alongside other defensive minded players, but the Warriors have seen their defense get better each season with Lee as a member of the team.

 

Indeed, look at the strides the Warriors have made in points allowed per 48 minutes and field goal percentage allowed when Lee is on the court in his three seasons in Golden State, stats courtesy of NBA.com’d advanced stats tool:

 

 

Again, not all of the credit can be attributed to the former Gator; he’s played with different teammates along the way and some of his minutes this season have been alongside Andrew Bogut as well as Festus Ezeli; both of which have done relatively good jobs anchoring the paint at times. Nonetheless, it’s awfully hard to ignore that on top of producing his customary 20 (19.9 to be exact) and 10, Lee is has evolved as a team defender and is no longer killing the Warriors on defense. Everything that was once said about him is slowly becoming just that, things that were said in the past. As the season progresses, it’s going to become awfully hard to keep David Lee off the All-Star team…

 

Warriors World

Editado 30 Dezembro 2012 por Mesquita

[LgD]

E nós ficamos o Carlos Loozer quando podíamos ter o David Lee :cry:

[NIkeL]

O problema do Lee é que era praticamente uma stat whore. Tinha os seus 20-10 e ficava feliz, defesa é que tá de chuva. Agora parece que está melhor.

[Rafinha]

E nós ficamos o Carlos Loozer quando podíamos ter o David Lee :cry:/>

 

Ou o Aldridge :(

Como é que fomos trocá-lo pelo Tyrus :lol:

[LgD]

Às tantas se tivéssemos o Aldridge não tínhamos o Rose por isso

[andriy pereplyotkin]

O Aldridge tinha problemas de saúde.

[Skip Bayless]

Aldridge > *

 

Melhor PF da NBA (sim acabei de dizer isto!).

[LgD]

Gosto dele só queria que ele ressaltasse mais um pouco e lançasse a 50%.

 

(O David Lee neste momento é o único na NBA a fazer 20-10)

[Skip Bayless]

O Lee tambem está numa equipa melhor, onde não é o centro das atenções.

 

Além disso Curry e Jack > Lillard em termos de assists e em dar easy baskets aos bigs.

 

 

O Aldridge não começou muito bem este ano, mas se me dessem a escolher um PF atualmente para os próximos 6/7 pegava facilmente nele (esqueçam que existe um senhor chamado Anthony Davis).

[LgD]

Se tivesse de escolher algum PF escolhia o Love. É mais novo, não tem aquele risco de lesões como o LA, Lança de 3 o que é praticamente fundamental para um 4 nestes tempos e é um monstro nas tabelas. Tem o contra de ser fraco na defesa.

[Skip Bayless]

Passador na defesa.

 

Nunca irá ganhar um Championship.

[andriy pereplyotkin]

Se o Aldridge defendesse melhor escolhia-o a ele. Assim não. Há uma série de PFs contra quem ele é constantemente papado.

[Pat Riley]

Se tivesse de escolher algum PF escolhia o Love. É mais novo, não tem aquele risco de lesões como o LA, Lança de 3 o que é praticamente fundamental para um 4 nestes tempos e é um monstro nas tabelas. Tem o contra de ser fraco na defesa.

 

Também escolhia o Love.

 

E a seguir provavelmente o melhor é o Blake Griffin, e se ainda não o é será.

 

edit: lol fui procurar uma lista de melhores PF da NBA neste momento e mete o Bargani em 11º e David Lee 12º. In America :lol:

Editado 30 Dezembro 2012 por SrEngenheiro

[vakjew]

Aldridge > *

 

Melhor PF da NBA (sim acabei de dizer isto!).

Também sou Aldridge fanboy pena as lesões

[Bynum Lover]

Aldridge > *

 

Melhor PF da NBA (sim acabei de dizer isto!).

LOL neste momento? Ou com a melhor forma de todos?

 

Anyway, Dirk e Pau sao superiores. Depois iria para ele, antes de K.Love, Blake, Lee ou Duncan.

[Skip Bayless]

LOL neste momento? Ou com a melhor forma de todos?

 

Anyway, Dirk e Pau sao superiores. Depois iria para ele, antes de K.Love, Blake, Lee ou Duncan.

 

Atualmente e tendo em conta um espaço temporal de 5 anos no futuro.

 

Blake? lol O CP3 faz dele o dobro do jogador que é.

 

Continuo a dizer, se o Aldridge tivesse um PG decente na equipa, a opinião de mts seria diferente.

[Lionel Messi]

Love > Aldridge > Griffin

[Rafinha]

Ninguém fala do Z-Bo? Prefiro-o ao Blake.

[Pat Riley]

Ninguém fala do Z-Bo? Prefiro-o ao Blake.

 

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[SAS_Robben]

Para mim o melhor PF é o Love mas estamos a falar daquela que é talvez a posição mais bem apetrechada da liga. Tão bem apetrechada que alguns PF têm de passar a C.

 

E sim, o Blake é overrated como o caraças.

[Rafinha]

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O Durant concorda comigo :cool:/>

E o Blake é capaz de ser dos jogadores mais overrated da liga

Editado 30 Dezembro 2012 por Rafinha

[Pat Riley]

O Durant concorda comigo :cool:/>/>

E o Blake é capaz de ser dos jogadores mais overrated da liga

 

Assim como o Z-Bo.

[Bynum Lover]

Atualmente e tendo em conta um espaço temporal de 5 anos no futuro.

 

Blake? lol O CP3 faz dele o dobro do jogador que é.

 

Continuo a dizer, se o Aldridge tivesse um PG decente na equipa, a opinião de mts seria diferente.

So pus o Blake porque tinham-no referido, para mim Dirk > Pau > Lamarcus > resto. É a posição com melhores jogadores em quantidade.

 

Ninguém fala do Z-Bo? Prefiro-o ao Blake.

Defende tao mal lol

[Pat Riley]

Para mim o melhor PF é o Love mas estamos a falar daquela que é talvez a posição mais bem apetrechada da liga. Tão bem apetrechada que alguns PF têm de passar a C.

 

E sim, o Blake é overrated como o caraças.

 

Por acaso acho PG a posição mais apetrechada.