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[Resende93]

Londres teve uma afluência 2/3% menor por causa da chuva.

 

Afluência bem menor do que o esperado em Glasgow. Muito muito mau.

Editado 24 Junho 2016 por ascom

[DonSk]

Estou a torcer pelo Leave, farto de pagar uma fortuna pelas minhas encomendas vindas de Inglaterra.

Não vais pagar menos por isso.

[Carmelo Anthony]

Eis que o Leave é favorito. Será uma noite longa.

 

The University of East Anglia is running a referendum live blog. They have been crunching the numbers and, on the basis of the first five results, they are forecasting a narrow win for Leave.

 

Predicted probability of Britain Remaining: 0.48

 

(5 of 382 areas reporting.)

 

Predicted vote share for Remain: 49.8 percent.

 

(90% prediction interval: 42.7 to 56.8 percent)

 

Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

John Curtice: At the moment at least the Leave side are favourites to win this Referendum - but there is still a very long way to go. #EUref

[whatever]

Não vais pagar menos por isso.

Estou a apostar tudo na desvalorização da Libra.

[DonSk]

Estou a apostar tudo na desvalorização da Libra.

Sim. E acredito nisso durante um tempo. Acho é que o Euro vem logo atrás depois, mais ano menos ano.

 

Btw... Em Manchester estão a prever vitória do Stay.

[Resende93]

Manchester o stay ganha.

 

A queda do pound foi a terceira maior de sempre depois da black wednesday e da crise de 2008.

 

Hatlepool onde se esperava que leave ganhasse por 61%, o Leave vai ter na realidade 70%.

Editado 24 Junho 2016 por ascom

[Resende93]

Tanta coisa que o Corbyn ia regenerar o labour, ia trazer os votantes tradicionais de volta para o Labour, que ia reconciliar o Labour com a working class e é a m*rda que se vê. p*ta que pariu qualquer que seja o resultado o gajo que saia e que venha algum gajo capaz como o Chuka ou o Jarvis.

[Che]

Leave com 53% até ao momento.

[Carmelo Anthony]

Já vai nos 5% a queda da libra. :lol:

[Enzo Dios Perez]

Mas os resultados das sondagens têm carácter vinculativo?

[Che]

Já vai nos 5% a queda da libra.

A mercadocracia a bater punho. Não seria de admirar.

[Resende93]

A mercadocracia a bater punho. Não seria de admirar.

 

Se estivesses libras não estavas a vender?

 

Resultados em alguns distritos de Londres melhor que o esperado

[Enzo Dios Perez]

Agora estão empatados

[Resende93]

Vamos ver Birmingham. É muito importante.

[Enzo Dios Perez]

As sondagens revelam que vai ganhar o brexit.

 

Queda da libra

Editado 24 Junho 2016 por Enzo Dios Perez

[marte]

[Resende93]

Estes gajos de colarinho azul do labour que estão a votar leave são mesmo atrasados, acham mesmo que agora vão haver políticas pró Serviço nacional de saúde, ou educação pública, ou regulações e mais não sei quê? lol

 

Vão levar com um governo Johnson + farage, bem mais neoliberal que se f*dem. Que sirva de exemplo para os outros países da europa que querem sair.

Editado 24 Junho 2016 por ascom

[Wesley Pentz]

A BBC e a ITV já estão a projectar a vitória do Leave

E o euro já começou a perder em relação ao dólar

[jean-luc godard]

Tá feito. A descida do Pound e do Euro está a ser fascinante.

[Wesley Pentz]

Os resultados na Irlanda do Norte e na Escócia também podem fazer prever o fim da Grã Bretanha

[Guest fiasco]

Só estou a torcer por referendos em Gales. Irlanda do Norte e Escocia e que os três mandem f*der a Inglaterra.

FuckingCunts.

Editado 24 Junho 2016 por fiasco

[doom_master]

F*deu. E um resultado destes ainda vai dar força ao Trump.

[whatever]

Lá porque alguns ainda estavam a dormir não significa que o sonho europeu já não tivesse morrido há muito.

 

O Cameron conseguiu ficar com um lugar muitíssimo escurecido na história, parabéns. :lol:

 

 

De qualquer forma o único pessoal que ganhou esta noite foi o das sondagens, sim senhor, há que tirar o chapéu.

Editado 24 Junho 2016 por whatever

[Carmelo Anthony]

O David Cameron acabou de resignar ao cargo de primeiro-ministro.

[Visitante]

A tragic split

How to minimise the damage of Britain’s senseless, self-inflicted blow

 

HOW quickly the unthinkable became the irreversible. A year ago few people imagined that the legions of Britons who love to whinge about the European Union—silly regulations, bloated budgets and pompous bureaucrats—would actually vote to leave the club of countries that buy nearly half of Britain’s exports. Yet, by the early hours of June 24th, it was clear that voters had ignored the warnings of economists, allies and their own government and, after more than four decades in the EU, were about to step boldly into the unknown.

 

The tumbling of the pound to 30-year lows offered a taste of what is to come. As confidence plunges, Britain may well dip into recession. A permanently less vibrant economy means fewer jobs, lower tax receipts and, eventually, extra austerity. The result will also shake a fragile world economy. Scots, most of whom voted to Remain, may now be keener to break free of the United Kingdom, as they nearly did in 2014. Across the Channel, Eurosceptics such as the French National Front will see Britain’s flounce-out as encouragement. The EU, an institution that has helped keep the peace in Europe for half a century, has suffered a grievous blow.

 

 

Brexit: the small print

The vote to Leave amounts to an outpouring of fury against the “establishment”. Everyone from Barack Obama to the heads of NATO and the IMF urged Britons to embrace the EU. Their entreaties were spurned by voters who rejected not just their arguments but the value of “experts” in general. Large chunks of the British electorate that have borne the brunt of public-spending cuts and have failed to share in Britain’s prosperity are now in thrall to an angry populism.

 

Britons offered many reasons for rejecting the EU, from the democratic deficit in Brussels to the weakness of the euro-zone economies. But the deal-breaking feature of EU membership for Britain seemed to be the free movement of people. As the number of new arrivals has grown, immigration has risen up the list of voters’ concerns.

 

Accordingly, the Leave side promised supporters both a thriving economy and control over immigration. But Britons cannot have that outcome just by voting for it. If they want access to the EU’s single market and to enjoy the wealth it brings, they will have to accept free movement of people. If Britain rejects free movement, it will have to pay the price of being excluded from the single market. The country must pick between curbing migration and maximising wealth.

 

David Cameron is not the man to make that choice. Having recklessly called the referendum and led a failed campaign, he has shown catastrophic misjudgment and cannot credibly negotiate Britain’s departure. That should now fall to a new prime minister.

 

We believe that he or she should opt for a Norwegian-style deal that gives full access to the world’s biggest single market, but maintains the principle of the free movement of people. The reason is that this would maximise prosperity. And the supposed cost—migration—is actually beneficial, as Leave campaigners themselves have said. European migrants are net contributors to public finances, so they more than pay their way for their use of health and education services. Without migrants from the EU, schools, hospitals and industries such as farming and the building trade would be short of labour.

 

Preventing Frexit

The hard task will be telling Britons who voted to Leave that the free having and eating of cake is not an option. The new prime minister will face accusations of selling out—for the simple reason that he or she will indeed have to break a promise, whether over migration or the economy. That is why voters must confirm any deal, preferably in a general election rather than another referendum. This may be easier to win than seems possible today. While a deal is being done, the economy will suffer and immigration will fall of its own accord.

 

Brexit is also a grave blow for the EU. The high-priesthood in Brussels has lost touch with ordinary citizens—and not just in Britain. A recent survey for Pew Research found that in France, a founder member and long a strong supporter, only 38% of people still hold a favourable view of the EU, six points lower than in Britain. In none of the countries the survey looked at was there much support for transferring powers to Brussels.

 

Each country feels resentment in its own way. In Italy and Greece, where the economies are weak, they fume over German-imposed austerity. In France the EU is accused of being “ultra-liberal” (even as Britons condemn it for tying them up in red tape). In eastern Europe traditional nationalists blame the EU for imposing cosmopolitan values like gay marriage.

 

Although the EU needs to deal with popular anger, the remedy lies in boosting growth. Completing the single market in, say, digital services and capital markets would create jobs and prosperity. The euro zone needs stronger underpinnings, starting with a proper banking union. Acting on age-old talk of returning powers, including labour-market regulation, to national governments would show that the EU is not bent on acquiring power no matter what.

 

This newspaper sees much to lament in this vote—and a danger that Britain will become more closed, more isolated and less dynamic. It would be bad for everyone if Great Britain shrivelled into Little England and be worse still if this led to Little Europe. The leaders of Leave counter with the promise to unleash a vibrant, outward-looking 21st-century economy. We doubt that Brexit will achieve this, but nothing would make us happier than to be proved wrong.

 

The economist