NBA - Notícias e Comentários Gerais

[Osnofa]

Deja` vu. :mrgreen:

 

lol vi mal. Rockets x Hornets :prayer:

[NIkeL]

Zé, sabes dizer-me se vamos jogar com reforços hoje? É que se não jogarmos tá fdd para ganhar, sem hughes e gooden, varejão e gibson lesionados...

[NIkeL]

Vi agora na conferência de imprensa que não vão jogar... tamos fdds... É hoje que o Lebron chega aos 50 ou 60 pontos.... :S

[ProkhoLov]

A noticia e` grande, mas muito interessante para os adeptos dos Nets. Antes de ler tomem algumas precaucoes como: estar sentado, nao estao ao pe de armas e varandas, e etc.

 

Note: Grades based on long-term consequences of the trade as well as cost-benefit to the team. As the years roll by, they change, some go up, some go down.

 

June 2000 - picked Kenyon Martin as overall No. 1 [A+]and Soumaila Samake with the 36th pick [F]

The start of something good. Nets could have selected Stromile Swift (see way below) or Darius Miles. Nets went for height in the second round, passing on Michael Redd, Eduardo Najera and Eddie House.

 

July 2000 - signed Aaron Williams to MLE [A-]

Great move that gave the Nets a reliable big man…gave him a chance to play.

 

July 2000 - re-signed Kendall Gill to one year, $7 million contract [F]

Kendall went around Thorn to owner Lew Katz, saying he wanted to stay. Last time that happened.

 

August 2000 - signed Stephen Jackson [A-]

From out of nowhere. Jackson was recommended by asst. coach Lawrence Frank. Reliable? No. Consistent? No. Did he play well when on? Yes.

 

June 2001 - traded Stephon Marbury, Soumale Samaki and Johnny Newman to Phoenix for Jason Kidd and Chris Dudley [A+].

Some think the Carter trade was the best trade Thorn ever made. I disagree. This was it…period. Changed the franchise.

 

June 2001 - traded Eddie Griffin draft rights to Houston for Richard Jefferson, Jason Collins, Brandon Armstrong [A] and drafted Brian Scalabrine with the 35th pick [b+]

Same day as the Kidd trade is agreed to with a handshake, Thorn strikes again. Instant bench for the 2001-02 EC Finalists. Got rid of a kid with problems for two starters, one a topflight NBA player. Only downsides: Thorn considered taking Gilbert Arenas over Brandon Armstrong and Thorn reportedly resisted Caroll Dawson’s request that the deal also include a swap of first-round picks in 2002. Who had the first pick overall in 2002? Houston. Who’d the Rockets pick? Yao Ming. Think of those possibilities!

 

July 2001 - did not offer contract to Stephen Jackson [F].

It would have stunted RJ’s growth and Stevie was–and is–a bit crazy, but couldn’t something have worked out?

 

July 2001 - released Chris Dudley [A]

Cap filler in the Marbury trade. He looks better in the diabetes commercials than he did on the court.

 

August 2001 - signed Todd McColluch to MLE [b+]

Criticized at the time as too big a price for a big, slow center. Critics were wrong. Thorn was right.

 

August 2001 - signed Derrick Dial [D]

Didn’t work. No big whoop.

 

October 2001 - bought out the contract of Jim McIlvaine [A]

Great move, showed the team’s seriousness. Jim now a member of the Marquette University band…really.

 

November 2001 - signed Anthony Johnson as Kidd back up [A]

Rescued from the “D” League on Eddie Jordan’s recommendation. A great pick-up.

 

June 2002 - drafted Nenad Krstic [A+] with the 24th pick and Tamar Slay with the 54th pick [F]

Can you say “steal of the draft”. Took a while to get here, but well worth the wait. Slay never panned out.

 

August 2002 - traded Keith Van Horn and Todd McColluch to Philadelphia for Dikembe Mutombo [D-]

Looked good on paper, Thorn now admits. Saddled the Nets with an aging role player who if he hadn’t been bought out would have been the league’s third highest paid player. Crazy. Only saving grace is that it freed up cap space in 2005-06, clearing more than $20 million…or more than was needed to pay Jefferson and Collins.

 

August 2002 - signed Chris Childs [F]

Big mistake. Childs lied about his training, showed up fat, thinking he was playing for the old Nets, who wouldn’t have cared. Buh-bye.

 

August 2002 - signed Rodney Rogers [C-]

Disappointing. Was supposed to fill in the gap left behind the arc with KVH’s departure. Was on the downside. Ate himself out of the league.

 

September 2002 - re-signed Anthony Johnson [b+] after cutting Childs [C]

Nice recovery, a Thorn speciality.

 

April 2003 - finally released Jamie Feick more than two years after his last game [C+]

Pretty much a neutral move, getting him off the roster. He had declined to take physical needed to get the Nets a disabled player exception. Insurance paid most of his $15 million contract signed by Thorn’s predecessor.

 

June 2003 - drafted Zoran Planinic [D] with the 22nd pick, sold draft pick of Kyle Korver for $150,000 [F]

Thorn’s worst draft…only saving grace comes in Planinic’s second year when he makes Krstic feel at home, for which the Nets are forever grateful. ‘Nuff said.

 

July 2003 - declined to pick up option on Anthony Johnson [F]

Byron Scott blows it. Johnson was happy, was cheap, was good.

 

July 2003 - re-signed Jason Kidd to six year, $100 million contract [A]

The question, now answered, was how soon before he declined? Hasn’t happened yet and he could be like John Stockton, who started 442 games after the age of 34.

 

July 2003 - signed Alonzo Mourning to four year, $22 million contract [F]

One month after his worst draft, Thorn makes his worst free agent signing, $22 million for a player who could literally have died on the court.

October 2003 - bought out Dikembe Mutombo for around $30 million. [F+]

The biggest buyout in NBA history. You pay for your mistakes. Saved some cap space, but not much. Final verdict on a flawed trade.

 

December 2004 - Signed Mikki Moore to two 10-day contracts to fill in for injuries, then released him to make way for Eddie Griffin. [C+]

At least, it gives the Nets a chance to audition Mikki for a role two years later.

 

January 2004 - signed Eddie Griffin to vets’ minimum contract, then was forced to release him after he is jailed [F]

Thorn took a chance on a risky kid, who disappointed him and the franchise. An embarrassment who never played a single game.

 

June 2004 - sold first round draft pick to Portland for $3 million [F], drafted Christian Drejer with the 51st pick [F]

The beginning of the Ratner cost-cutting. Delonte West, Kevin Martin, Ben Udrih, Anderson Varejao were available. Drejer not likely to ever don a Nets uniform, but no one picked after him is in the league either. Still, it pisses me off.

 

July 2004 - traded Kenyon Martin to Denver for three draft choices and $5 million trade exception

A grade that started out as an F, it has risen slowly over the past two years to an A now back down to a B, due to hard work by Thorn as well as Martin’s injuries and increasing craziness and now his recoverry. Thorn didn’t think he was worth the max, particularly with signing and trade bonuses. He was right. Turned down Nuggets offer of Nikoloz Tskitishvili, which would have reduced the value of the TE. This trade becomes the foundation for the Vince Carter trade five months later. The final piece of that trade, the Clipper pick, became Marcus Williams. The pick itself wasn’t a lottery pick, but the talent seemed to be.

 

July 2004 - traded Kerry Kittles and $1.5 million to LA Clippers for Clippers second round draft choice and $10.2 million trade exception [A+]

Fans furious, but no one knew KK had just had his fifth knee surgery. He played 11 games in 2004-05 and then retired. The trade gives the Nets 10 draft picks over three years. The trade exception and draft choice became Cliff Robinson.

 

August 2004 - signed Rodney Buford [D] and Jacque Vaughn [b+]

Buford was one of the NBA’s worst players. Vaughn keeps filling in off the bench. He’s not AJ, but he can defend.

 

August 2004 - signed Ron Mercer to LLE [F]

Hurt, he contributed nothing. Even if he wasn’t injured, could he have done anything worthwhile? Lost the use of the LLE for 2005 off-season.

 

August 2004 - signed Nenad Krstic to rookie contract [A+]

Finally!!! Because he was taken at No. 24 in 2002, Krstic’s contract amounts to peanuts, considering his talent.

 

August 2004 - signed Kyle Davis to non guaranteed contract [F]

A lot of hype as a shot-blocker. Nothing else. Disappeared.

 

August 2004 - dropped Lucious Harris [A]

Saved some money. He did nothing when signed by the Cavs. Bad back. It’s over.

 

August 2004 - signed Eric Williams to three-year, $11.55 million partial MLE contract [D]

He filled in nicely on defense, but offensively limited. If that contract was still on the books, ugh.

 

September 2004 - re-signed Richard Jefferson to a six-year, $78 million contract [A+]

With KMart gone, Richard gets his money. Smart move to get it done before RJ became restricted free agent…some have suggested the Nets overpaid.

 

September 2004 - signed Jabari Smith [D] and Travis Best [C] to partially guaranteed contracts.

They did little, but didn’t hurt the team. Smith was team jokester…and a joke.

 

October 2004 - re-signed Jason Collins to a four-year, $24 million contract [C-]

Much-abused defensive expert at the time. Knee issues made the contract look like an albatross two years later. Ultimately, he became trade bait.

 

December 2004 - signed and later released Kaniel Dickens [D]

Never mind.

 

December 2004 - traded Eric Williams, Alonzo Mourning, Aaron Williams and two draft picks obtained in the Martin trade for Vince Carter [A]

One of the game’s great–if then tarnished–stars for trinkets and baubles and the right to buy out Mourning’s contract! Trading away the big men opened up opportunities for Krstic as well.

 

December 2004 - signed and later released Jerome Moiso [F]

Well, the Raptors wanted the Nets to take him in the Carter trade. Thorn declined, then picked him up off waivers before dumping him. Overpaid underachiever.

 

January 2005 - signed Billy Thomas [D] and Donnell Harvey who was quickly released [D]

Gave Billy a chance. He hit a couple of big threes but later admitted he was a bad locker room influence.

 

January 2005 - used $4.4 million of the Martin trade exception to sign Elden Campbell off waivers, then released him [F]

What was this about? An attempt to get Detroit to deal Darko? The only excuse for a bad deal that wasted a TE.

 

February 2005 - used $5.2 million of the Kittles trade exception along with two second round draft choices–Clippers’ 2005 and Nets’ 2007–to acquire Cliff Robinson [A]

A genius move. Warriors thought Cliffy was done, with a bad back. Chris Mullin orginally wanted the Nets’ first rounder in 2006. Thorn refused. Mullin relented. Cliffy’s “Bird rights” permit the Nets to resign him outside the cap. Draft choices turned out to be Chris Taft and Stephan Lasme, both out of the league by 2007.

 

June 2005 - picked up team option on Jacque Vaughn at $1 million [b+]

Can’t complain.

 

June 2005 - declined to pick up team option on Cliff Robinson at $5.87 million [A]

Cliffy a great pickup but he ain’t worth $6 million. He knew it. Thorn knew it.

 

June 2005 - drafted Antoine Wright with the 15th pick [D] and Mile Ilic with the 43rd pick [F]

For where he was picked, Wright has been a disappointment. He can defend, but he was supposed to be a shooter. A lot of players taken after him would have been a better fit, and everyone now knows it. Among them Danny Granger, Hakim Warrick, etc. Ilic in spite of a lot of hype from Thorn and Stefanski was a major bust. The Nets recently admitted they desperately tried to trade up in the second round so they could get Monta Ellis, now the Warriors shooting guard. They should have tried harder. But even among those taken after Ilic were some gems: Louis Williams, Mickael Gelabale, Andray Blatche, Ryan Gomes, Amir Johnson.

 

July 2005 - used the remaining $5 million from the Kittles trade exception along with the Nets’ 2006 first round draft pick to acquire Shareef Abdur-Rahim from Portland [A+]

It looked sooo good, sooo smart. Oh well.

 

July 2005 - re-signed Cliff Robinson to a two-year, $4.5 million contract with second year team option [A]

That’s more like it…and the contract had a team option.

 

July 2005 - signed Jeff McInnis to a two-year, $7 million contract [F]

Right up there with some of Thorn’s worst free agent signings…and there have been a few beauts. He became the forgotten man, as in, “I wish we could forget we signed him”.

 

August 2005 - rescinded the Shareef Abdur-Rahim trade [A+]

Whew! Was he worth $38 million, even without knee problems down the road? No…and yes, now he has knee problems, having to sit the 2007-08 season after knee surgery. Moreover, the Nets retained their pick, which turned into Josh Boone.

 

August 2005 - traded the right to exchange second-round draft choices and the remaining $5 million from the Kittles trade exception to Philadephia for Marc Jackson and $3 million in cash [D]

No risk. Getting a big body and the money to pay him wasn’t such a bad thing…and it was all done quickly. He disappoints, but didn’t cost a thing. Became trade fodder. Still, you would have hoped there was a better option.

 

August 2005 - released Ron Mercer under the NBA amnesty clause [A]

Thanks for nothing.

 

August 2005 - agreed to sign Robert ‘Tractor” Traylor but then had to reneg because of physical issues. [A]

By giving Traylor an echocardiogram, something not all sports teams do, the Nets saved his life. It showed an enlarged aorta and by November, he had undergone corrective surgery. Traylor later said, through his agent, he wanted to play this year and hoped the Nets were interested. Luckily, the Nets passed. He recently pleaded guilty to helping the leader of a violent drug gang launder drug profits. Yikes.

 

September 2005 - signed Linton Johnson III to a vets minimum contract [F]

Whose fault is it that he didn’t get time? Would it have mattered? Since he’s out of the league, I guess not.

 

September 2005 - retained the draft rights to Christian Drejer

Maybe the Nets can get some trade value out of this…a big maybe.

 

September 2005 - signed Lamond Murray to a vets minimum contract [D-]

He didn’t understand his role, was adequate off the bench at PF at times. Another Kidd pal. Out of the league.

 

September 2005 - signed Scott Padgett to a two-year $3.3 million contract with second year team option. [F]

Looked good for a while. As Tim Capstraw says, he didn’t need a shooting coach…he needed Dr. Phil!

 

November 2005 - waived Ben Handlogten [C]

Big Ben, we hardly knew ye. Really, though, who cared other than Ben?

 

February 2006 - traded Marc Jackson, Linton Johnson III and $100,000 to the Hornets for Bostjan Nachbar and two trade exceptions worth $2.05 million and $719,000. [A]

All predicated on the need to clear space for free agent signing of Tim Thomas. Jon Paxton screwed that one up. Nachbar proved to be better than expected in 2006-07, filling in admirably for RJ. Considering that the acquisition of Jackson cost them nothing and Johnson was a vets’ minimum signing, and both are out of the league, a great deal. And a LOT better than the alternative discussed that morning: Jackson and Nets’ first rounder to the Bobcats for cap space. If that deal had done through, again no Boone.

 

April 2006 - signed John Thomas and Derrick Zimmerman to end-of-the-season insurance deals [C-]

They didn’t play poorly and it was nice having John Thomas around when Cliffy was suspended for drugs.

 

June 2006 - drafted Marcus Williams, PG, and Josh Boone, PF, in the first round [A] and Hassan Adams, SG, in the second round.

Sometimes, it’s better to be lucky than good. Williams keep falling and falling and unlike other GM’s Thorn and Stefanski were there to catch him. He had a decent rookie season, but injury has held him back in 2007-08. Boone hurt his shoulder, slowing his progress, but he eventually worked his way into the rotation, about all one can expect for a 23rd pick on a contending team. Then he exploded in his second year. Adams looked good in stretches, certainly better than someone taken at #54 should, then was confined to Frank’s dog house and waived.

That same night, however, the Nets passed on a trade that some though could haunt them. The Bulls were offering Luol Deng and one of their first round picks for Richard Jefferson. The Nets wanted the #2 pick. The Bulls were offering the #16. No deal…thankfully.

 

June 2006 - Declined team option on Scott Padgett, saving the team $1.2 million…his remaining contract year minus a $450,000 buyout. [D]

Having the team option in the original contract was a good idea and since Padgett didn’t want to stay and Nachbar seems to provide the same services, no apparent harm. But considering the market for Padgett, why give him a $450,000 buyout clause in the first place.

 

July 2006 - Let Jacque Vaughn sign with the Spurs. [F]

Vaughn sees Williams pick and realizes he will get less time. Up and down year didn’t help him, but still a steadying influence, a great teammate. Missed in defensive matchups.

 

July 2006 - Declined team option on Cliff Robinson, then agreed to sign him to a new deal worth $1.3 million less. To help Robinson save face, the team included a team option for a second year. [F]

He was close to done and then he had knee surgery. It was a bad move to resign him after the drug suspension, and a worse move to give him a $500,000 buyout clause. That money is on the cap for 2007-08.

 

July 2006 - Traded a second round pick in 2009 to the Sonics for Mikki Moore. Since Moore is a vets minimum player, Nets did not have to match salaries. [A+]

Acquired as insurance for Josh Boone’s injured shoulder, Moore becomes a key player after Nenad Krstic gets hurt…helped save the season. Moore’s $1.07 million salary turns out to be a bargain. Acquired at Stefanski’s suggestion.

 

August 2006 - Signed combo guard Eddie House to one year, $1.4 million contract. [C+]

Considering his shooting ability and small contract, a great pickup at a bargain price. A gunner who can play some point, once he gets hot, it’s bombs away. Nets are looking to run more and House helps that plan a lot. He can disrupt a defense with some well-placed three’s. Defense as questionable as his conscience. An injury hurt him.

 

August 2006 - Bought out Zoran Planinic for $150,000, permitting him to join Tau Ceramica in Spain and open a roster spot for Mile Ilic. [b.]

Giving up on a draft choice is never easy, particularly one so highly thought of. But the Planinic experiment was a failed one. With the drafting of Marcus Williams, Planinic saw the hand-writing on the wall and asked for permission to seek new opportunities overseas. Saved the Nets $1.5 million they had guaranteed him.

 

August 2006 - Agreed to European buyout and sign Mile Ilic, their 2005 draft choice, to a multi-year contract starting at $800,000. [F]

It was all about potential. Ilic’s nickname on his Serbian team was “Yao Mile” because his height and skillset are reminiscent of a poor man’s Yao Ming. He isn’t even close to Yao or Krstic. Net brass had called him “lottery caliber” and “intriguing”. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

August 2006 - Invited Jay Williams to training camp, essentially giving him a non-guaranteed contract and a chance to show what he has to the Nets brass as well as other NBA teams. [C]

It didn’t work out, but it got the team some positive publicity and it didn’t cost them much. It was another case of low risk, potentially high reward, the signature of the off-season, starting with Marcus Williams and including the draft of Hassan Adams, the signing of Mile Ilic and Eddie House.

 

January 2007 - Traded Jeff McInnis to the Charlotte Bobcats for Bernard Robinson, finally putting an end to the McInnis fiasco [D]

Hard to give anything better than a C- for this one, considering how bad the original signing was. In addition to his poor play, there were rumors of him recruiting others to his late night partying rounds, etc., etc. Addition by subtraction. Robinson did nothing. The team never used the trade exception of $2.6 million from this deal.

 

March 2007 - Talked trade with the Lakers about Jason Kidd

How close did it get? Depends on who you talk to…and when. Did they talk? Yes. Did the Nets ask for Andrew Bynum? Yes. Did the deal get close? Not that close. Trading Kidd would have changed the franchise. Vince Carter would have left and rebuilding would have been in full swing around Jerseyan Bynum. But whether it was “unfortunate” (Kidd’s words) or “really not that close” (Thorn’s), the deal didn’t go down and so doesn’t get a grade.

 

June 2007 - Drafted Sean Williams at #17 in the draft, a risk vs. reward situation. [A+]

Without his drug problems at BC, Williams would have been a top 10 pick based solely on his uncanny athleticism. The Nets had considered Jason Smith of Colorado State, but Williams had outplayed Smith during a multi-team workout in Charlotte the before the draft. By Game 25, he was starting and looking a lot less raw than predicted, showing he is better offensively and smarter than even the Nets brass could have hoped for. The same night, the Nets and Pacers were involved in another RJ trade scenario, this one involving Jermaine O’Neal. Depending on who you believe, the deal fell through because the Nets were unwilling to give up a) Nenad Krstic or b) Marcus Williams

 

July 2007 - Signed Vince Carter to a new 5-year, $81 million contract, $66 million of which is guaranteed. [b-]

Vince Carter may be a future Hall of Famer . Few players in the NBA are capable of playing four positions like he is and fewer players can average 25, 6 and 4 as he did in 2006-07 or even 21, 5 and 5, as he is in 2007-08. He can sell tickets. He is one of the game’s good guys. BUT he can still drive fans, coaches and teammates crazy too. (You know the story.) The main question is what will this hyper athletic superstar be like at age 33 through 35, when the Nets will be paying him stratospheric salaries? Could be a B+, but probably not. As part of his deal, he renounced a $16.4 million salary this year in return for $13 million…and the long term guarantee, which helps the team’s cap situation this season but hurts it long term, assuming a decline.

 

July 2007 - Signed Jamaal Magloire to a one-year $4 million contract. [F]

Magloire had received interest from the Lakers, Sixers, Wizards and Jazz, but chose the Nets. A former All-Star, the Nets hoped his toughness, rebounding and shot-blocking would be worth what was a minimal investment. Of course, he would have to play to prove that. Without Carter agreeing to take a lower salary in return for longer term security, the Nets would have been hard-pressed to sign the Canadian big man. Only Sacramento used more of their MLE this off-season than the Nets did on Magloire.

 

July 2007 - Declined team option on Cliff Robinson, but still has to pay him $500,000 buyout fee. [F]

Not a smart deal in retrospect. Cliffy retires.

 

July 2007 - Declined team option on Hassan Adams. [C]

Nothing personal, just business, everyone tells the press, but fans go crazy. It’s way to reduce luxury tax exposure. The team drops below the threshold as a result. Still, Adams has a difficult time hooking up with another team in training camp, winning a last-minute invite from Cleveland after Anderson Varejao and Sasha Pavlovic stay home in contract protests. Ultimately, he gets cut and winds up on a poor team in Italy’s Due –or second– league.

 

August 2007 - Signed Robert Hite to a partially guaranteed contract. [F]

Hite looked more like an NBA two guard than Adams in the summer league and he only cost the team $25,000. But like most partial guarantees, it was wasted money the team has to carry on its cap this season. When Marcus Williams went down with a broken foot, Hite’s fate was sealed. The Nets needed to find a third string PG desperately. He gets waived by the Nets the day after Adams is waived by the Cavs.

 

August 2007 - Let Mikki Moore sign a partially guaranteed $15 million deal with Sacramento. [b.]

He isn’t worth it, just as Brian Scalabrine wasn’t worth the same amount the year before. Offered him $10.3 million over three but gave him a half-hour to make his decision. It’s a business. The great irony? Kings don’t need him if Abdur-Rahim’s knee is healthy.

 

September 2007 - Signed Malik Allen to a non-guaranteed make-good contract. [C-]

Nets took no risks on this New Jersey native (Willingboro) but he provided few rewards either. Signed as an insurance policy after Krstic’s recovery had been slowed by a knee sprain, the Nets had hoped for a second Mikki Moore…he wasn’t. Have a nice time to Dallas.

 

October 2007 - Signed Darrell Armstrong to a partially guaranteed deal. [b.]

Superannuated in basketball terms, but someone who has been around, learned the ropes and is willing to share the lessons. Armstrong has Finals experience, having made to the 2006 championship round with Dallas. Turns 40 during this year’s finals.

 

October 2007 - Declined fourth year option on Antoine Wright [b.]

The Nets say they want financial flexibility, but what is unspoken was that the Nets didn’t think Wright will be worth $2.57 million next season. An admission of failure. Ultimately a smart move because he became an expiring contract.

 

October 2007 - Traded Mile Ilic and Bernard Robinson along with cash considerations to the Hornets in return for David Wesley

Another admission of failure. Avoiding throwing good money after bad–a Thorn specialtiy, it made sense from a number of perspectives. Wesley had announced his retirement and was only due a $250,000 buyout of his $1.75 million contract. Ilic and Robinson were deadweight. So the trade freed up two roster spots and put the team under the luxury tax threshold.

 

February 2008 - Traded Jason Collins along with cash considerations to Memphis for Stromile Swift.

It’s early, but it’s hard to see Collins being worth much at all to Memphis. He did have real value to the Nets because of his defense and familiarity with the Nets’ schemes. Still, he was one of the last members of the two Finals teams. Swift is a year younger with better knees. He has neither the BBIQ nor playoff experience that Twin has. And the deal saved nearly $1 million on the cap over the next two seasons…and it could be more. Swift, unlike Collins, has a player option in June. First deal since Kiki Vandeweghe arrived.

 

February 2008 - Traded Jason Kidd, Antoine Wright and Malik Allen to Dallas for Devin Harris, DeSagana Diop, Trenton Hassell, Maurice Ager, Keith Van Horn, first round picks in 2008 (lottery protected) and 2010 (unprotected), $3 million in cash and two trade exceptions worth $1.68 million and $770,000.

The single toughest move to grade. You lose a future Hall of Famer and face of the franchise plus two pieces of your rotation and get back three young players with potential, one solid defender, a sentimental favorite (who will probably never play…or even be interviewed), two picks likely to be in the 20’s and some money. But Kidd wanted to leave, demanded it in fact and had become a distraction or worse. The grade could be a lot higher down the road–like an A–if Harris in particular fulfills his potential an F if Kidd leads the Mavs to the promised land. Still, considering what other teams got for their unhappy stars (see Memphis and Chicago), this is a solid start whether it’s a retooling or a rebuilding. Thorn has had an uncanny ability to know when a player has peaked and get the most for him. If he does it in this case, he will be revered. If not, reviled.

 

Bottom line: Rod Thorn have been terrific at trades, mostly smart in the draft, and lousy at free agency…very very lousy. Stefanski is gone to Philly to work on his own report card. Replacing him and maybe Thorn is Kiki Vandeweghe. Thorneweghe?

 

So` de pensar na equipa que podiamos ter.... :-(

[The Bad Blood]

Andas no nets247.com ... :mrgreen:

[ProkhoLov]

Andas no nets247.com ... :mrgreen:

Apanhaste-me. :mrgreen:

 

Conheces outros?

[The Bad Blood]

Conheço a secção dos Nets no Pro Sports Daily, mas prefiro esse. E há o Nets Daily, com notícias actualizadas várias vezes ao dia.

[ProkhoLov]

O Nets Daily eu ja conhecia, mas esse forum no Pro Sports Daily nao.

 

Edit: Estas a ver a "Sim league" no nets247.com, nao ha maneira de criar uma aqui no forum?

[Bynum Lover]

CR7 CFEA :lol:, neps o Joe Smith é o poste que tava em Chicago.

 

O J.R. Smith esta nos Nuggets

Ah :happy: . Atão é "f*da".

 

 

Miami perdeu :o. Não tava à espera :-

[The Bad Blood]

Estás tolinho, Laercio. Incomportável.

[ProkhoLov]

Estás tolinho, Laercio. Incomportável.

Nao da, e` isso? Se pudesses dizer o porque eu agradecia.

 

Edit: A minha intensao nao e` trazer o jogo ca pra forum, e` so` saber se da pra jogar aquele jogo com outros jogadores. Estas a perceber?

[The Bad Blood]

Edit: Estas a ver a "Sim league" no nets247.com, nao ha maneira de criar uma aqui no forum?

 

Edit: A minha intensao nao e` trazer o jogo ca pra forum, e` so` saber se da pra jogar aquele jogo com outros jogadores. Estas a perceber?

 

Estou um pouco confuso. :mrgreen:

 

Aquilo é basicamente um jogo de managing online. Há 30 General Managers, cada qual com sua equipa, e a partir daí cria-se uma realidade paralela com drafts e trocas com o PC e entre jogadores, respeitando os períodos convencionais, o cap space e o roster space. Controlas ainda a tua equipa e o seu estilo de jogo.

[Gavazzo]

Fui agora a esse fórum, afecto aos Nets, e vi isso. Parece-me sensacional. Tem uma secção apenas dedicada a isso. :o

[ProkhoLov]

E nao ha como comecar um jogo desses a partir de agora com novos jogadores? Como?

[Gavazzo]

E nao ha como comecar um jogo desses a partir de agora com novos jogadores? Como?

O que é que queres dizer com "com novos jogadores"?

[ProkhoLov]

O que é que queres dizer com "com novos jogadores"?

Por exemplo: eu, tu e mais uns quantos. Novor jogadores = Game managers

[Gavazzo]

Por exemplo: eu, tu e mais uns quantos.

Ah, pensava que estavas a falar mesmo de jogadores (de basquete). Eu gostava muito, pelo que vi, mas compreendo que seja praticamente impossível, totalmente impensável. É que a organização, a ser igual à que lá foi imposta, abriria a abertura de sub-secções e tópicos e mais tópicos...

[ze_miguel]

Gahnámos sobretudo Profundidade, na minha opinião. O Hughes tinha que sair urgentemente, contrato mau, e jogador insatisfeito. Gooden também tenho pena, mas é aceitável. Os outros que saíram pouco ou nada traziam à equipa, portanto não há grande problema em terem saído.

 

Mas o Hughes às vez ainda fazia lá umas coisitas...

 

Bin Ben 15M por 3 epocas

Szczerbiak 12,5M por 2 epocas

Z 10,5M por 3 epocas

Lebron 15M por 4 epocas

 

Esse ano libertam 6,5M (se nao renovar com ninguem, o Gibson deve renovar e tem os 2 novos rookies). Pro ano tem Marshall, Snow e Jones no ultimo ano de contrato, o que liberta 17,5M.

 

E` esperar que pro ano o GM saque uma trade engracada, pois mesmo com algum cap space, juntar um quinto "contrato grande" e` de mais.

 

Marshall já não é dos Cavs. ;)

 

Mas eu fiz um post sobre o espaço que temos quanto a salários nos próximos anos. (28 M€ e 25 M€)

 

O Joe Smith é o J.R.Smith dos afundanços né? Se for :prayer:

 

Poderá ser uma boa troca, mas o Wally parece-me flop. Além de que agora ficam com 2 G muito jovens. Será que resulta? E o Z+Big podem jogar juntos? Penso que o Deng faria mais falta por exemplo.

 

A primeira pergunta já foi respondida.

 

Porque não Z e Big Ben? Vai ser essa a dupla titular.

 

Vi agora na conferência de imprensa que não vão jogar... tamos fdds... É hoje que o Lebron chega aos 50 ou 60 pontos.... :S

 

Não? :o :S

[Kaz]

a liga obriga a que eles ainda tenham que fazer exames antes de poderem jogar, como a troca foi ao final de ontem, só hoje devem ter feito os exames é até entrarem os resultados na liga...

[NIkeL]

Mas o Hughes às vez ainda fazia lá umas coisitas...

Marshall já não é dos Cavs. ;)

 

Mas eu fiz um post sobre o espaço que temos quanto a salários nos próximos anos. (28 M€ e 25 M€)

A primeira pergunta já foi respondida.

 

Porque não Z e Big Ben? Vai ser essa a dupla titular.

Não? :o :S

Nop, em principio vamos buscar 2 à D-League só para jogarem hoje. Temos apenas 6 ou 7 jogadores se não me engano. Cheira-me a derrota e noite de 50+ pontos para LeBron, hoje sim, vai jogar sozinho, vai ser ele e o Z, mas o Z não aguenta 48 minutos, ao contrário do LeBron, que os consegue fazer.

 

a liga obriga a que eles ainda tenham que fazer exames antes de poderem jogar, como a troca foi ao final de ontem, só hoje devem ter feito os exames é até entrarem os resultados na liga...

Os exames serão no fim de semana.

 

 

:mrgreen:

[ProkhoLov]

Avatar do Kaz. :prayer:

 

Faz lembrar a minha escola. :mrgreen:

[ze_miguel]

Já perguntei no chat de Cleveland e o 5 vai ser:

 

Jones

James

Devin Brown

Dwayne Jones

Z

 

Epah, vai ser muito complicado. :|

[#24]

nao vou negar... era a oportunidade perfeita para o Lebron fazer um hell of a game

gostava que se mandasse prai para os 80, 90 pontos :mrgreen:

(dificil.. mas é o King)

[Rpiolho]

alguem sabe de algum blog dos nuggets ou dos sixers?

[NIkeL]

nao vou negar... era a oportunidade perfeita para o Lebron fazer um hell of a game

gostava que se mandasse prai para os 80, 90 pontos :mrgreen:

(dificil.. mas é o King)

Se correr normalmente será o que vai acontecer (a parte do Hell game lol) Ele hoje vai estar "sozinho" e irá fazer muitos e muitos lançamentos, o que proporcionará uma pontuação avultada. Fazer 80 ou 90 pontos há tipo 0,1% de hipóteses de acontecer... Mas perto dos 60, acredito perfeitamente. O Jones irá ter os seus 3 ou 4 triplos, o Z uns 15 pontos. Prevejo uma boa noite de pontos e ressaltos para o James.