[Wrestling] Discussão Geral

[htc]

O Kenta vs Joe é overrated. There, I said it

 

Não é o mesmo Kenta mas o teu futuro é igual. :mrgreen:

Editado 3 Março 2012 por htc

[El Colosso]

:mrgreen:

 

Pá, é um bom combate. Mas não é "THE BEST MATCH EVAR!!11!!!". É 95% ambiente, 5% bom combate

[pauloscp]

[Youtube]

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:lol:

[htc]

:mrgreen:

 

Pá, é um bom combate. Mas não é "THE BEST MATCH EVAR!!11!!!". É 95% ambiente, 5% bom combate

O equivalente a qualquer combate do Rock.

 

Inclusive o Rock vs. Hogan.

[El Colosso]

O Main Event da 17 é genuinamente um bom combate. Claro que o ambiente foi fantástico, mas é um excelente combate. O melhor do Rocky

[Mister Master]

Decade of Honor #11 (Updated 2/22/12) - Shots were fired, jabs were taken, but it all truly started on January 14, 2006 when Bryan Danielson invaded The Arena during a CZW show, verbally trashed the fans and the company, and it broke out into an all-out brawl between Danielson, Nigel McGuinness, Roderick Strong, and Austin Aries against Chris Hero, Claudio Castagonli, and the rest of the CZW locker room. It continued that night at ROH's "Hell Freezes Over" event where Hero, entering the ROH ring for the first time and accompanied by The Necro Butcher amongst others, challenged Danielson for the ROH World Title in front of the very vocal Philadelphia fans. Danielson won out that night, seemingly putting the issue to bed, but as it turned out that was just the beginning of a very violent summer.

 

At "Tag Wars 2006", Hero returned, again with Necro Butcher at his side, and disrupted the night's event. The same scene played the following night a "Dissension" when Necro showed up solo, but it didn't truly get out of control until the "4th Anniversary Show" when a small army of CZW wrestlers led by Hero crashed the show and a huge brawl erupted between the two groups. To say that things got serious from here on out would be an understatement…

 

At "Arena Warfare", which went down at CZW's home base of the former ECW Arena, the event ultimately erupted into sheer violence, including a parking lot brawl, capped off by BJ Whitmer being absolutely brutalized by the Combat Zone crew. During out first ever triple shot weekend, the proceedings were repeatedly interrupted by CZW. At the "100th Show" things seemed calm at first with Christopher Daniels & Claudio Castagnoli having a match that Daniels won, but in the aftermath, for the first time in ROH history, Daniels actually followed the Code of Honor & shook his opponents' hand! Hero, now in the crowd, proceeded to verbally run down everything about ROH. This all culminated into a 6-Man tag between Samoa Joe, Pearce, & BJ Whitmer against Hero, Super Dragon & Necro that saw Whitmer get taken out by Super Dragon, Claudio turn his back on ROH by attacking Joe, and CZW emerge victorious.

 

It was a low point for ROH in the war, but it was far from over. Highlights included Super Dragon being tossed out the front door in Cleveland after BJ Whitmer beat him, Samoa Joe vs. Necro Butcher turning into Homicide vs. Necro turning into a chair riot in New Jersey, Whitmer being crowned with barbwire, and Jim Cornette begging The Notorious 187 to step up to plate for Ring of Honor.

 

It all came down to "Death Before Dishonor IV" where ROH entered CZW's playground, The Cage of Death, for an absolute war with to much chaos to recall here. Suffice to say it saw Bryan Danielson use the COD as an opportunity to attack Joe, Chris Hero's bitter rival Eddie Kingston actually ally himself with Hero to defend CZW, and ultimately Homicide stand up for Ring of Honor & swing the pendulum in our favor for the win. The war was over, but like The War of 1812, the last battle was fought after the fact, when BJ Whitmer took down Necro Butcher in ROH's 2nd, and last, No-Rope Barbed Wire match.

 

It was a summer unlike any ROH had ever seen with a level of violence unparalleled in our history, and something we have only seen since during the reign of The Age of The Fall as well as in Kevin Steen & Steve Corino's actions through 2010. The repercussions of that COD would be felt through the year as what happened with Homicide after that match set the stage for the remainder of 2006…

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Decade of Honor #12 (Updated 2/23/12) - Ring of Honor had traveled to England once before in May of 2003 to put on an event, in conjunction with the FWA, called "Frontiers of Honor". That was the night that Samoa Joe, successfully beating The Zebra Kid, established the ROH Title as a World Title, and it was also the last time ROH would appear in the UK for many years.

 

On August 12, 2006 that all changed when Ring of Honor, this time operating totally independent, came to Liverpool to present "Unified", and in the main event, another historic contest, as ROH World Champion Bryan Danielson battled ROH Pure Champion Nigel McGuinness in a Unification Bout! McGuinness, at this point reigning for 350 days as champion & at the time holding the record for second longest title reign in ROH history, and Danielson, standing at 329 days as champion, had battled on two occasions. The first, at "Weekend of Champions Night 2", saw McGuinness defeated Danielson in a Title vs. Title bout, but being that it was via countout, both men retained their championships. In following battle, at "Generation Now", Danielson retained in a straight up ROH World Title match, setting the stage for this historic unification match.

 

What a battle it turned out to be, one enhanced by a crowd so excited for the action they were witnessing as McGuinness, fighting with a home field advantage of a sort, looked to make history. The striking was vicious, the chain wrestling was precise, the submissions were brutal, and then there were the headbutts, the sickening thud of the headbutts, both between the two warriors as well as the one between Nigel's skull and the corner post. That impact immediately ripped McGuinness' head open, and one would think that blood loss could only have hindered his chances in the match, but for a moment it seemed as if the sight of his own blood actually fired up the Pure Champion as he drilled Danielson with his Rebound Lariat.

 

Still, it wasn't enough as the deciding factor in the match would prove to be a serious of vicious elbows from the World Champion to the head of the Pure Champion as Nigel's arms were trapped, leaving him unable to defend himself. The referee had no other option but to stop the match and award the decision to Danielson, making him the only Unified Champion in Ring of Honor's history. The words "epic" don't quite describe this battle of wills, and historic doesn't quite do it justice either.

 

Suffice to say this is a must-see for every fan of Ring of Honor, Danielson, or McGuinness, and to think this was only the first phase of one of ROH's all-time great rivalries…

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Decade of Honor #13 (Updated 2/27/12) - The relationship between Ring of Honor and the various wrestling promotions in Japan dates back to the earliest days of our history when people like Dick Togo & Ikuto Hidaka took part in our tournament to crown the first ROH Tag Team Champions at "Unscripted" or when the legendary Shinjiro Ohtani & Masato Tanaka fought Low Ki & Steve Corino at "All Star Extravaganza". Great Muta, Jushin Liger, Kenta Kobashi, they all stepped into ROH competition at some point, and whether it be Zero-1, All Japan, New Japan, Osaka Pro, or Pro Wrestling NOAH, the presence of puroresu has always been felt in ROH. Still, ROH itself had never taken the 15+ hour trip to the Land of the Rising Sun. That all changed on July 16, 2007…

 

That day, in conjunction with Pro Wrestling NOAH, Ring of Honor hit Differ Ariake to present "Live in Tokyo"! It was a historic event as each bout, save one, featured ROH competitors battling it out with NOAH's own wrestlers and in that one exception, Roderick Strong and Delirious took one of ROH's most potentially dangerous matches, the "Fight Without Honor", to Tokyo. The event featured former ROH World Champion Bryan Danielson battling future GHC Heavyweight Champion Go Shiozaki, Naomichi Marufji & The Briscoes taking on Matt Sydal, Ricky Marvin, & Atushi Aoki, amongst other bots, and was capped off by Nigel McGuinness taking on then-ROH World Champion Takeshi Morishima as he continued his pursuit of the championship.

 

ROH held another event the following night in Osaka, then returned to Japan in September of 2008 for another pair of live events, but unfortunately have not been able to return since. Still, that doesn't mean our presence has not been felt in Japan with the likes of Roderick Strong, Eddie Edwards, The Kings of Wrestling, & Delirious, amongst others fighting in Pro Wrestling NOAH over the years and ROH World Champion Davey Richards currently reigning as one-half of New Japan's IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Tag Champions along with another man familiar to the ROH faithful, Rocky Romero.

 

Ring of Honor owes a great debt to Japan & the spirit of puroresu for helping to establish our identity over the years, and for that we would like to extend a heartfelt thank you to every Japanese wrestling promotion that has ever been involved with ROH over the years!

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Decade of Honor #14 (Updated 2/28/12) - Four times, four times Nigel McGuinness was frustrated by Bryan Danielson in his pursuit of the ROH World Championship. Two of those matches ended in indecisive fashions with the first actually seeing McGuinness victorious but via countout so no title for him and the last ended in a 60 Minute draw so once again no championship for him.

 

Then came the monster Morishima and his reign of physical dominance with the ROH World Title. Twice more Nigel was turned back by the champion, but just as with Danielson, the former Pure Champion stayed the course and finally, on October 6, 2007 at the "Undeniable" PPV event, McGuinness achieved the dream he had been fighting for since his first ROH match in 2003 when he ended the reign of the Japanese behemoth.

 

Through ups, downs & injuries, through fan's cheers & jeers, McGuinness carried the belt with pride and, in the fashion of those who came before him, defended the championship against all-comers. Be it Jay Briscoe, Austin Aries, Danielson, KENTA, Naomichi Marufuji, Tyler Black, or Kevin Steen, McGuinness successfully defended his title on 38 occasions, tying the record set by Bryan Danielson, and carrying the championship for 545 days, second only to Samoa Joe's historic reign. His passion and intensity as champion was off the charts and Nigel certainly brought out the best in all his opponents, forcing them to step up their game if they wanted to have any hope of taking the title away. Just ask Tyler Black…

 

Nigel's championship reign came to an end at "Supercard of Honor IV" on April 3, 2009 and on 2 other occasions he attempted to reclaim the belt but was unsuccessful in those endeavors. Departing ROH at "Glory by Honor VIII" following a classic match, appropriately enough, against his greatest rival Bryan Danielson, Nigel returned to the fold at our debut TV taping for "Ring of Honor Wrestling" in Chicago Ridge, IL on August 13, 2011 and now offers his insight as a commentator on both ROH TV & iPPV broadcasts.

 

Nigel McGuinness will forever be logged into the ROH history books as a record setting champion and in the hearts of faithful as a true ROH Legend.

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Decade of Honor #15 (Updated 2/29/12) - On September 19, 2008 Kevin Steen & El Generico were on top of the world as that night they captured the ROH World Tag Team Titles from Jimmy Jacobs & Tyler Black at "Driven 2008". By September of 2009 they were wrapped up in a Ladder War with The American Wolves in an attempt to reclaim those titles that had been lost in a Tables match earlier in the year. Three months later, at "Final Battle 2009", that partnership came to a violent end as ROH's own "chairshot heard 'round the world" occurred as Steen turned his back on Generico.

 

The following year led Ring of Honor down a very dark path, the most violent days in company history since the CZW War, as Steve Corino stepped out from behind the curtain, revealing himself as the manipulator of the situation while Colt Cabana stepped up to support his friend, Generico. From the first meeting between Colt & Steen at the "8th Anniversary Show", to the moment Generico stood up for himself at "The Big Bang, then the bloody violence of "Bitter Friends, Stiffer Enemies 2" & "Supercard of Honor V", followed by the first face-to-face battle at "Death Before Dishonor VIII" and the rematch at "Hate: Chapter II", the animosity, violence, and blood escalated day-by-day until the challenge was finally issued for "Final Battle 2010": Kevin's ROH Career vs. Generico's mask. It was a battle unsanctioned by ROH officials and it proved to be one of the most intense, emotional, and yes, violent, fights ever seen and when Generico took a chair, the same chair Steen assaulted him with one year earlier, and cracked Kevin across the head to end his ROH career, it was a victory on multiple levels.

 

2011 began with a seemingly repentant Steve Corino returning to ROH, hat in hand, looking to make amends for his evil machinations and the terrible things he and Kevin did to Generico, Cabana, and ROH as a whole. For months, inch by inch, Steve fought for his redemption, and despite roadblocks (like one named Mike Bennett) he stayed the path, in part due to the help of his sponsor, one of the most evil men in ROH's history, a man he would bring back at "Supercard of Honor VI", Jimmy Jacobs. ROH officials were understandably hesitant to allow his return, Jacobs equally understood, but both he & Corino were reaffirmed when Jimmy was allowed at "Best in the World 2011". Unfortunately that was also the night that set the stage for the rest of the year…

 

Unannounced, unexpected, Kevin Steen was brought to the ring by Steve Corino but was abruptly sent away by ROH officials. Steen, shockingly, left of his own accord but returned when Steve was assaulted by the HoT, only to attack Corino & Jacobs both after yelling "F*** Ring of Honor!" The monster had returned and not only did he make his presence felt at the arena, he began to use the internet to tear down ROH as well, and actually went so far as to have the ROH message board hacked, forcing ROHWrestling.com to remove it. Steen came back at "Death Before Dishonor IX", attacking Jacobs while Corino was in Japan, bringing out Generico to stop the assault but he too was left lying, and finally trying to attack Cary Silken before security stopped him. At "Glory by Honor X", Steen got involved in Jacobs' match as well as after Generico's World Title match against Davey Richards. He used shady Louisville lawyers to get himself into venues and ultimately to get himself a match at "Final Battle 2011" against none other than Steve Corino. Once again it was Steen's ROH Career on the line; if he wins then he's back in, but if he loses, Kevin agreed to walk away forever.

 

Violent, brutal, bloody, it proved to be all the things that the "Final Battle 2010" war was but this time it was Steen who stood triumphant in the end, using that same chair, dried blood still caked on like some sick keepsake, to bash Corino's head in and win his reinstatement. That wasn't enough though as Kevin attacked Jimmy Jacobs after the match, went after Jim Cornette as well, but was stopped by El Generico who ended up paying the worst price of them all: a package piledriver through a table.

 

Generico has not been seen in ROH since that night, Corino has elected to step away from the ring and focus on commentary, Steen has begun a rampage aimed squarely at the ROH World Title, and Jimmy Jacobs has elected to step up this weekend in NYC at the "10th Anniversary Event" to try and stop the nightmare in its tracks. The Manhattan Center has been Steen's playground for over two years; can Jacobs be the man to change that on Sunday?

Editado 3 Março 2012 por Darkewne

[htc]

Estou a rever no YouTube o show de Tributo ao Eddie Guerrero em 2005, começa com este:

 

 

Depois é só seguir os links na lateral.

 

Card:

 

Non Title Tag Team Match

MNM (Mercury & Nitro) (w/Melina) vs. Kane & The Big Show

 

Singles Match

Kurt Angle vs. Shelton Benjamin

 

Singles Match

Rey Mysterio vs. Shawn Michaels

 

Divas Battle Royal

Ashley vs. Candice Michelle vs. Christy Hemme vs. Jillian Hall vs. Maria vs. Melina vs. Mickie James vs. Trish Stratus vs. Victoria

 

Singles Match

Eugene vs. Simon Dean

 

Non Title Match

WWE Intercontinental Champion, Ric Flair vs. William Regal

 

Non Title Match

WWE Champion, John Cena vs. Randy Orton (w/Bob Orton)

[htc]

 

:prayer:

Editado 6 Março 2012 por htc

[ekkz]

 

Editado 6 Março 2012 por ekkz

[htc]

OMG! OMG! OMG! HBK! Já mijei as cuecas e tudo, que coisa tão emocionante! E é assim que temos um combate em que os três participantes ultrapassam os 120 anos de idade.

 

 

Faz a porra de uma diferença se o Undertaker ganha graças ao HBK dar um superkick ao Triple H ...

 

Era suposto o Shawn Michaels ser o árbitro trazer algo de novo ao combate? Toda a gente sabe que o Triple H não vai ganhar. O HBK não vai deixar que o Triple H faça algo que ele não conseguiu. E será a mesma história do costumo até e durante o combate: HBK e Triple H são melhores amigos, ajudaram-se na carreira inteira, e agora o Undertaker tem a streak em risco...

 

Editado 6 Março 2012 por htc

[htc]

 

 

O meu estereótipo insultuoso favorito lá ganhou um título...

 

Editado 6 Março 2012 por htc

[Mister Master]

OMG! OMG! OMG! HBK! Já mijei as cuecas e tudo, que coisa tão emocionante! E é assim que temos um combate em que os três participantes ultrapassam os 120 anos de idade.

Bound For Glory 2011:

Sting Vs. Hogan w/ Ric Flair = 173 anos :mrgreen:

[What]

Bound For Glory 2011:

Sting Vs. Hogan w/ Ric Flair = 173 anos :mrgreen:

Não digas dessas coisas... :mrgreen:

Oh senhor com nome de telemóvel, a sério que não entendo como ficas até às 2 e tal da manhã acordado para ver algo que tu odeias sistematicamente. Isto não é uma crítica, é uma sincera questão. Eu por exemplo, deixo de ver a TNA por largos períodos de tempo para não andar a resmungar de tudo o que eles fazem e que eu não gosto, e vou pegando para ver quando há algo que de facto acho interessante.

[htc]

Bound For Glory 2011:

Sting Vs. Hogan w/ Ric Flair = 173 anos :mrgreen:

O Flair participou? Quanto tempo levou o combate?

 

RAW fraquinha. Usaram Boston para tentar por o Cena mais over como face, não vai resultar.

 

Não digas dessas coisas... :mrgreen:

Oh senhor com nome de telemóvel, a sério que não entendo como ficas até às 2 e tal da manhã acordado para ver algo que tu odeias sistematicamente. Isto não é uma crítica, é uma sincera questão. Eu por exemplo, deixo de ver a TNA por largos períodos de tempo para não andar a resmungar de tudo o que eles fazem e que eu não gosto, e vou pegando para ver quando há algo que de facto acho interessante.

Eu vejo a RAW apesar de não gostar porque precisamente quero ter alguma legitimidade quando critico. Não é como a grande maioria que nunca vê TNA e que manda os bitaites porque os outros dizem o mesmo.

 

Se quero alguma legitimidade quando digo que não gosto do produto, que não gosto dos wrestlers que utilizam ou porque acho que os cards são fracos, tenho que ver o produto. E é o que a maioria de vocês não faz em relação à TNA.

[What]

O Flair participou? Quanto tempo levou o combate?

 

RAW fraquinha. Usaram Boston para tentar por o Cena mais over como face, não vai resultar.

 

 

Eu vejo a RAW apesar de não gostar porque precisamente quero ter alguma legitimidade quando critico. Não é como a grande maioria que nunca vê TNA e que manda os bitaites porque os outros dizem o mesmo.

 

Se quero alguma legitimidade quando digo que não gosto do produto, que não gosto dos wrestlers que utilizam ou porque acho que os cards são fracos, tenho que ver o produto. E é o que a maioria de vocês não faz em relação à TNA.

Mas qual a necessidade de ver um produto que não gostas? Apenas para criticar?

[El Colosso]

Alguém já viu uma promo do Dean Ambrose chamada "Monster"?

 

Minha nossa que aquele gajo vai longe

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyGlsm7u8rQ

 

E esta m*rda, com o gajo mais underrated de sempre

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYWDsw3iaF0

Editado 6 Março 2012 por Colossus

[htc]

Mas qual a necessidade de ver um produto que não gostas? Apenas para criticar?

Se digo que gosto da TNA, ou se gosto de NJPW, ou se gosto de CHIKARA ou seja qual for a companhia, tenho a meu ver de ter uma opinião em relação às restantes, enquanto que não critico ROH, CHIKARA e outras companhias porque não me são tão acessíveis, a WWE é a companhia com a qual mais facilidade encontro material e gosto de ter uma opinião acerca do produto, nem sempre desgosto do que eles fazem mas quero estar informado para não dizer isto ou aquilo sobre um produto que não assisto.

 

Por exemplo a RAW de ontem trouxe duas novidades: HBK a special guest referee, o que a meu ver é overkill, não bastava ser HIAC? Qual é a ideia? Dizer que o combate é o fim da era? Era preciso tudo isto? Até porque o final é previsível; Santino Marella a campeão dos Estados Unidos, isto não deveria ser um momento Wrestlemania? Eu nem acho grande piada ao Santino mas será quase de certeza do top 3 dos faces mais over na SmackDown, então porque não utilizar o momento dele ganhar um título individual no que deveria ser o maior espectáculo do ano? Podem-me dizer que a TNA muda títulos nos IMPACT, mas lá é evidente que o que importa mais são os shows televisivos e não os PPVs com a excepção dos Big 3...

[What]

Se digo que gosto da TNA, ou se gosto de NJPW, ou se gosto de CHIKARA ou seja qual for a companhia, tenho a meu ver de ter uma opinião em relação às restantes, enquanto que não critico ROH, CHIKARA e outras companhias porque não me são tão acessíveis, a WWE é a companhia com a qual mais facilidade encontro material e gosto de ter uma opinião acerca do produto, nem sempre desgosto do que eles fazem mas quero estar informado para não dizer isto ou aquilo sobre um produto que não assisto.

 

Por exemplo a RAW de ontem trouxe duas novidades: HBK a special guest referee, o que a meu ver é overkill, não bastava ser HIAC? Qual é a ideia? Dizer que o combate é o fim da era? Era preciso tudo isto? Até porque o final é previsível; Santino Marella a campeão dos Estados Unidos, isto não deveria ser um momento Wrestlemania? Eu nem acho grande piada ao Santino mas será quase de certeza do top 3 dos faces mais over na SmackDown, então porque não utilizar o momento dele ganhar um título individual no que deveria ser o maior espectáculo do ano? Podem-me dizer que a TNA muda títulos nos IMPACT, mas lá é evidente que o que importa mais são os shows televisivos e não os PPVs com a excepção dos Big 3...

Quanto à justificação, fiquei esclarecido. Tenho pena de não ter tempo sequer para seguir todos os shows da WWE. :mrgreen:

 

Quanto à Raw, acho que o HBK ser special ref. encaixa na perfeição na história. Fecha 4 anos de história, o primeiro Hell in a Cell foi entre ele e o Taker, e toda a história que ele tem com o HHH.

 

O Santino ganhar o título não é algo especial. O Santino já ganhou duas vezes o título intercontinental e os tag titles.

[Mister Master]

Alguém já viu uma promo do Dean Ambrose chamada "Monster"?

 

Minha nossa que aquele gajo vai longe

 

E esta m*rda, com o gajo mais underrated de sempre

Esse gajo é muito bom, mistura de Piper com Brian Pillman.

Editado 6 Março 2012 por Darkewne

[Pistolas]

WM29 HBK vs HHH

[El Colosso]

O HBK vai continuar retirado

[BDani]

Esse Ambrose nunca o vi a trabalhar um combate, mas porra, ele caga carisma. Quanto ao Regal... é o gajo mais desperdiçado de sempre provavelmente. Ele tem tudo mesmo, no ringue não há muitos ao seu nível, muito bom no mic, consegue ser sério ou divertido com facilidade e ser entertaining de ambas as formas, é super leal à WWE, é um senhor no backstage, orienta os mais novos e sempre fez o que lhe mandaram.

 

Provavelmente o problema é esse, aquela gratidão toda para com o Vince fez com que nunca mostrasse um pouco de "rebelde" para o catapultarem. Obviamente que me posso estar a esquecer de alguém, isto é muito relativo, mas acho-o o melhor de sempre a nunca ser World Champion.

Editado 6 Março 2012 por bdani

[Mister Master]

Esse Ambrose nunca o vi a trabalhar um combate, mas porra, ele caga carisma.

Vê o Seth Rollins Vs. Dean Ambrose na FCW. Ironman de 30'. Melhor combate que já vi na FCW.

 

Já agora para não estar a criar um tópico para isto, e como isto é o tópico geral...

 

Quais são para vocês as grandes mentes do wrestling?

 

Dou exemplos de 3 deuses:

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[What]

Provavelmente o problema é esse, aquela gratidão toda para com o Vince fez com que nunca mostrasse um pouco de "rebelde" para o catapultarem. Obviamente que me posso estar a esquecer de alguém, isto é muito relativo, mas acho-o o melhor de sempre a nunca ser World Champion.

O Regal só se pode culpar a si mesmo. Estragou tudo no ponto mais alto da carreira, com muita pena minha.

E o Piper nunca ganhou um título mundial...

[htc]

Dark não arranjas o guest booking do Cornette completo?