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[Nuk]

Por muito estranho que possa parecer, estou a torcer pelos Spurs. Mas realisticamente acho que são os Heat.

 

 

Camby 14 pontos, 18 ressaltos, 4 assistências e 3 blocks no fim do jogo :mrgreen:

 

Nashty <3 Redd <3 'Tat <3 Kieff <3 JYD <3 Hill <3

 

A LOS PLAYOFFS!

 

 

Btw, o Nash está a 1% de FTs para chegar a mais uma temporada de 50-40-90. Aos 38 anos.

Já não vi a segunda parte, mas não tava á espera que ele continuasse naquele ritmo jogou imenso.

 

O Nash parece ter jogado bem melhor na segunda parte, ainda bem espero que ganhem mais uns jogos para irem aos PO's. O lançamento do Redd continua lindo como o crl <3.

[andriy pereplyotkin]

Se ganharmos hoje, aos Spurs, acredito que estamos nos POs. Estamos 1GB de Houston e Denver, e amanhã e 2ª há Rockets-Nuggets e Nuggets-Rockets.

 

 

Btw, dois deuses:

[Ed]

Pff... Ganha Dallas. 8)

 

Dallas e Bulls na final e venho-me.

[Osnofa]

True. Melhor PF de sempre e melhor PG da última década <3

 

E por acaso não tenho muita confiança que os Spurs ganhem isto. Gosto do banco e acho que temos a melhor equipa desde já há muito tempo mas continuo a duvidar um pouco do Parker e das casmurrices do Pop nos PO. Mas pior que o ano passado não vai ser :lol:

[andriy pereplyotkin]

Tudo também me parece que não, falta um gajo mais forte nas wings, gosto muito do Danny e do Kawhi mas falta ali algum star power e o Manu já não é o mesmo. Este ano é o Telfair que vos rebenta :lol:

 

Já agora, a minha previsão sobre algo que já se começa a desenhar:

MVP - Lebron

CotY - Pop

DPoY - D12

6MoY - Harden

RoY - Irving

MIP - Esta é mais difícil. Se não tivesse sido a lesão era Lowry, fácil. O Humphries duvido que ganhe, com o record da equipa. Se os Jazz chegarem aos POs apostava no Hayward, caso contrário deve ir para o Ryan Anderson.

[Boo Riquelme]

Os Spurs não jogam um crl. Não sei pq, mas não suporto a equipa lol embirração pura

[Ed]

Não és o único Boo. E o Durant para MVP não?

[andriy pereplyotkin]

Mas só pode ser. Nem de uma mão precisas para contar equipas que joguem melhor que eles (aliás, nem estou a ver nenhuma..).

[Gavazzo]

oh boo não suportar é diferente de dizer que não jogam um crl :lol: eu gosto muito do trabalho que o Pop conseguiu fazer esta época novamente, mesmo com o big3 cada vez mais velho.

[andriy pereplyotkin]

Não és o único Boo. E o Durant para MVP não?

Se calhar até lho podem dar, mas não me lembro de um ano em que fizesse tanto sentido dá-lo ao Lebron como neste. Cresceu imenso como jogador este ano, para mim. Muito mais inteligente, já sabe quais as limitações que tem e está a jogar muito melhor em equipa.

[Detlef]

Continuo a apostar numa final OKT - Heat com vitória para os Heat

[Ed]

Pois percebo-te, mas também acho que o Durant merece-o.

 

E ainda estou a ver a NBA a entregar o MIP, ao Lin. :mrgreen:

[Osnofa]

Um durant e um dirk lover a destilarem hate. SÓ MEDO!

 

quote name='andriy pereplyotkin' date='14 Abril 2012 - 11:15 ' timestamp='1334441724' post='7520391']

Tudo também me parece que não, falta um gajo mais forte nas wings, gosto muito do Danny e do Kawhi mas falta ali algum star power e o Manu já não é o mesmo. Este ano é o Telfair que vos rebenta :lol:

 

Por acaso gostava de apanhar os Suns na 1ª ronda. Sempre foram séries engraçadas. Se não der, que venha Dallas para a sweep. 8)

 

MVP - Lebron

CotY - Thibodeau

DPoY - D12

6MoY - Harden

RoY - Irving

MIP - Anderson ou Lowry (desde que não ganhe o Lin......)

Editado 14 Abril 2012 por Osnofa

[Carmelo Anthony]

MVP - Kevin Durant: normalmente é o jogador estrela da equipa que tem o melhor recorde que leva o prémio. Na ausência de um healthy Rose na equipa dos Bulls a minha escolha recai em Durantula por levar os Thunder ao melhor registo no Oeste.

CotY - Tom Thibodeau: Bulls com o melhor recorde.

DPoY - Tyson Chandler: chegar a NY e fazer dos Knicks uma das melhores equipas defensivas da liga é obra! Jogador 'massively underrated' nas palavras do Hollinger que também defende a conquista deste prémio por parte do poste dos Knicks.

6MoY - James Harden. Aqui acho que nem há discussão. Melhor jogador vindo do banco, de longe.

RoY - Kyrie Irving: É preciso justificar?

MIP - Jeremy Lin: sinceramente não vejo outro jogador que tenha registado uma evolução tremenda como este rapaz.

Editado 14 Abril 2012 por Da Gawd

[Nuk]

MVP - Lebron

CotY - Pop

DPoY - Lebron

6MoY - Harden

RoY - Irving

MIP - Anderson

[Osnofa]

Só faltou aí o Woodson como COY :lol:

[Carmelo Anthony]

Só faltou aí o Woodson como COY :lol:

 

Isso era suposto ser irónico? É que falhou.

[Carson Wentz]

MVP - Lebron

CotY - Pop

DPoY - D12

6MoY - Harden

RoY - Irving

MIP - Lowry

[Osnofa]

Eu prefiro é acreditar que a tua escolha do Lin tenha sido irónica porque escolher um jogador que fez meia época (com uma dúzia de bons jogos) para MIP é mesmo de fã dos Knicks.

[andriy pereplyotkin]

Isso era suposto ser irónico? É que falhou.

Eu é que pergunto se o DPoY e o MIP eram irónicos.

[NIkeL]

Lin MIP?

 

Eu tinha a sensação que ele não jogou quase nada e até fui confirmar. Ele fez 35 jogos. 35! é metade da época. Queres dar o MIP a um gajo que jogou metade da época? E nos primeiros 11 desses 35 esteve ao nível do ano anterior, ou seja, apresentou 24 jogos em melhoria.

[Carmelo Anthony]

Eu é que pergunto se o DPoY e o MIP eram irónicos.

 

Tens aqui o artigo do Hollinger em relação ao DPOY:

 

 

I never thought I'd live to see the day when a prominent New York Knicks player was also massively underrated. Yet here we are.

 

 

 

What a refreshing turn of events. For nearly 20 years, the only interesting debate we've had about most Knicks players has been whether they're merely overrated or are phenomenally overrated. That's what happens in the league's biggest market, especially when the fans have been starved for more than a decade of both a superstar player and a consistent winner.

 

 

 

Given those circumstances, I would have thought it impossible for somebody to play well in the league's biggest market yet remain so far outside the hype zone. Yet somehow, one player has managed that feat.

 

 

 

Ask anyone who the Knicks' best player is, and chances are the person won't come up with the right answer until the fourth guess. New York's best player is not as famous as Jeremy Lin nor as glamorous as Carmelo Anthony, nor did he arrive with as much fanfare as Amare Stoudemire.

 

 

 

But as far as winning basketball games? Tyson Chandler is the guy, the one Knick who has proved to be absolutely indispensable in making the team relevant again. Somehow, the spotlight evades him, even as he was the second-best player on a world champion a year ago and is now the best player on the first enjoyable team in the league's biggest market in ages.

 

 

 

Sunday's nationally televised thriller against the Bulls was a perfect example. Afterward, all you heard was MeloMeloMelo. Don't get me wrong, Melo was fantastic, but he had his best game of the season and Chandler had his normal game yet Chandler had just as much impact.

 

 

 

My 2011-12 All-Defense team

 

Point Guard Shooting Guard Small Forward Power Forward Center

First team:

Avery Bradley, Boston First team:

Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia First team:

LeBron James, Miami First team:

Kevin Garnett, Boston First team:

Tyson Chandler, New York

Second team:

Ricky Rubio, Minnesota Second team:

Tony Allen, Memphis Second team:

Luol Deng, Chicago Second team:

Taj Gibson, Chicago Second team:

Dwight Howard, Orlando

Third team:

Mike Conley, Memphis Third team:

Ronnie Brewer, Chicago Third team:

Grant Hill, Phoenix Third team:

Josh Smith, Atlanta Third team:

Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City

 

 

 

 

Even the last sequence of superstar hero-ball was all about Chandler, even with Anthony and Derrick Rose doing all the ballhandling and shooting. Chandler was the one who tapped out two offensive rebounds to allow Melo to make a go-ahead 3 (after he and J.R. Smith had missed initially), then swallowed up Rose's drive to the basket to give the 'Bockers the victory. These details were immediately forgotten or were mentioned only in passing, making this ending the perfect metaphor for Chandler's past two seasons.

 

 

 

This, after Chicago's comeback from a 21-point deficit started right at the point in the first quarter when Chandler exited the game. Do the math: He was a plus-15 in a game his team won by a point, and he sat out only nine minutes. Melo, for all his heroics, was a plus-5; this is one game, but it illustrates the larger point that Chandler is the key guy here.

 

 

 

Injuries provide one obvious insight to this trend. The Knicks have had plenty of success (6-4) when Anthony misses games or when Lin does (5-2 since his injury entering Tuesday night; overall, they're 9-12 when he doesn't play at all and 13-16 when he plays less than 10 minutes), and they have been positively gangbusters (10-3) when Stoudemire sits out.

 

 

 

Chandler? They lost both games he missed.

 

 

 

And as for the Knicks' vaunted Anthony-Stoudemire combo? Without Chandler, it stinks so bad on defense as to be unworkable. When the two play with Chandler, they've surrendered a respectable 99.5 points per 100 possessions, based on NBA.com's lineup data; do the backward math with that data and the minutes for each lineup and it means that, when he's out, they've been blistered for a ridiculous 113.5 (stats through Monday's games).

 

 

 

But let's zoom back out to the big picture and get to the main reason I'm writing about Chandler today: New York's amazing transformation at the defensive end. Chandler wasn't exactly joining the most receptive culture for a defensive game-changer. His new team had two superstars who don't care about defense and a coach who doesn't care about defense. The Knicks have given heavy minutes to others who don't much like defending (Smith) or lack the mobility to do it well (Mike Bibby and Steve Novak).

 

 

 

Yet there is New York, ranking fifth in defensive efficiency.

 

 

 

The Knicks, we'll remind you, were 21st in this category a year ago. And, although other changes have helped -- most notably drafting perimeter antagonist Iman Shumpert -- it's really been Chandler who has changed everything.

 

 

 

And this time around, we really should have expected it, given that:

 

 

 

• He was the main defensive catalyst in Dallas the season before, when the Mavs improved on defense from 12th to seventh and ended up winning the title.

 

 

 

• A year earlier in Charlotte, although he missed 31 games with injuries, he was a key piece on a Bobcats squad that led the league in defensive efficiency (did, too).

 

 

 

• Before that, in New Orleans, he and the Hornets were a top-10 defensive team in consecutive seasons with Chandler and a whole lot of not much else.

 

 

 

• And before that, in Chicago, a young Chandler led the Bulls to the No. 2 mark in defense in 2004-05.

 

 

 

That's a whole lot of dots that connect Chandler to good-to-great defensive teams. He has led five franchises to defensive results that were far better than anyone expected as well as far beyond what the incumbent group of players had achieved previously.

 

 

 

And it's easy to see why when you watch him. He's incredibly long and mobile; he dominates the glass; he doesn't take bad risks going for blocks he can't get; he's a vocal leader without the Kevin Garnett fake-tough-guy stuff; and he has made steady improvements every year.

 

 

 

Which takes us to our endgame here. I think it's high time that Chandler's track record, as well as his one-man U-turn of the Knicks' defense, gained some recognition. Given the diminishing defensive output of Orlando's Dwight Howard this season, I'm endorsing Chandler as the NBA Defensive Player of the Year this season (while we're at, can we retroactively give him Stoudemire's All-Star spot?) because he's the only thing separating the Knicks from yet another colossally overrated disaster.

 

 

 

The defensive data are always a bit murkier than for offense, so one can make a solid case for several other recipients. Garnett, in particular, has a strong résumé this season, as do perimeter defenders LeBron James, Andre Iguodala and Luol Deng.

 

 

 

But Chandler's numbers back up the idea that he is perhaps the best this season, as does the eye test. Whether anybody is willing to admit it or not, he's been the key to the Knicks' season. It's hard to imagine a high-profile free agent from a world champion coming to New York and getting this little notice, but it's another example of truth being stranger than fiction.

 

 

 

And if he doesn't win? I'll get a bit longer to enjoy a Knick being underrated.

 

 

Lin MIP?

 

Eu tinha a sensação que ele não jogou quase nada e até fui confirmar. Ele fez 35 jogos. 35! é metade da época. Queres dar o MIP a um gajo que jogou metade da época? E nos primeiros 11 desses 35 esteve ao nível do ano anterior, ou seja, apresentou 24 jogos em melhoria.

 

Sim, nesse aspecto tens razão, o número de jogos que fez ao longo da época são o principal entrave à conquista do prémio. Agora que a evolução dele foi do mais extraordinário que aconteceu este ano, lá isso foi e é inegável. No entanto, como tu mencionaste, se o facto de ter jogado apenas meia época constituir argumento para a vitória então fico-me pelo Anderson dos Magic.

 

Não vejo porque motivo será assim tão descabida a minha eleição mas pronto.

 

EDIT: Já agora, quando o perep lançou a votação, ele falou em "previsão". Ora isto é o que eu prevejo, não necessariamente aquilo que ache justo ou aquilo que seriam os meus desejos (talvez à excepção do Chandler que sim esse quero mesmo que ganhe o award).

Editado 14 Abril 2012 por Da Gawd

[riquelme21]

MVP - Lebron

CotY - Pop

DPoY - D12

6MoY - Harden

RoY - Irving

MIP - Monroe ou Anderson

[andriy pereplyotkin]

Tens aqui o artigo do Hollinger em relação ao DPOY:

 

 

I never thought I'd live to see the day when a prominent New York Knicks player was also massively underrated. Yet here we are.

 

 

 

What a refreshing turn of events. For nearly 20 years, the only interesting debate we've had about most Knicks players has been whether they're merely overrated or are phenomenally overrated. That's what happens in the league's biggest market, especially when the fans have been starved for more than a decade of both a superstar player and a consistent winner.

 

 

 

Given those circumstances, I would have thought it impossible for somebody to play well in the league's biggest market yet remain so far outside the hype zone. Yet somehow, one player has managed that feat.

 

 

 

Ask anyone who the Knicks' best player is, and chances are the person won't come up with the right answer until the fourth guess. New York's best player is not as famous as Jeremy Lin nor as glamorous as Carmelo Anthony, nor did he arrive with as much fanfare as Amare Stoudemire.

 

 

 

But as far as winning basketball games? Tyson Chandler is the guy, the one Knick who has proved to be absolutely indispensable in making the team relevant again. Somehow, the spotlight evades him, even as he was the second-best player on a world champion a year ago and is now the best player on the first enjoyable team in the league's biggest market in ages.

 

 

 

Sunday's nationally televised thriller against the Bulls was a perfect example. Afterward, all you heard was MeloMeloMelo. Don't get me wrong, Melo was fantastic, but he had his best game of the season and Chandler had his normal game yet Chandler had just as much impact.

 

 

 

My 2011-12 All-Defense team

 

Point Guard Shooting Guard Small Forward Power Forward Center

First team:

Avery Bradley, Boston First team:

Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia First team:

LeBron James, Miami First team:

Kevin Garnett, Boston First team:

Tyson Chandler, New York

Second team:

Ricky Rubio, Minnesota Second team:

Tony Allen, Memphis Second team:

Luol Deng, Chicago Second team:

Taj Gibson, Chicago Second team:

Dwight Howard, Orlando

Third team:

Mike Conley, Memphis Third team:

Ronnie Brewer, Chicago Third team:

Grant Hill, Phoenix Third team:

Josh Smith, Atlanta Third team:

Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City

 

 

 

 

Even the last sequence of superstar hero-ball was all about Chandler, even with Anthony and Derrick Rose doing all the ballhandling and shooting. Chandler was the one who tapped out two offensive rebounds to allow Melo to make a go-ahead 3 (after he and J.R. Smith had missed initially), then swallowed up Rose's drive to the basket to give the 'Bockers the victory. These details were immediately forgotten or were mentioned only in passing, making this ending the perfect metaphor for Chandler's past two seasons.

 

 

 

This, after Chicago's comeback from a 21-point deficit started right at the point in the first quarter when Chandler exited the game. Do the math: He was a plus-15 in a game his team won by a point, and he sat out only nine minutes. Melo, for all his heroics, was a plus-5; this is one game, but it illustrates the larger point that Chandler is the key guy here.

 

 

 

Injuries provide one obvious insight to this trend. The Knicks have had plenty of success (6-4) when Anthony misses games or when Lin does (5-2 since his injury entering Tuesday night; overall, they're 9-12 when he doesn't play at all and 13-16 when he plays less than 10 minutes), and they have been positively gangbusters (10-3) when Stoudemire sits out.

 

 

 

Chandler? They lost both games he missed.

 

 

 

And as for the Knicks' vaunted Anthony-Stoudemire combo? Without Chandler, it stinks so bad on defense as to be unworkable. When the two play with Chandler, they've surrendered a respectable 99.5 points per 100 possessions, based on NBA.com's lineup data; do the backward math with that data and the minutes for each lineup and it means that, when he's out, they've been blistered for a ridiculous 113.5 (stats through Monday's games).

 

 

 

But let's zoom back out to the big picture and get to the main reason I'm writing about Chandler today: New York's amazing transformation at the defensive end. Chandler wasn't exactly joining the most receptive culture for a defensive game-changer. His new team had two superstars who don't care about defense and a coach who doesn't care about defense. The Knicks have given heavy minutes to others who don't much like defending (Smith) or lack the mobility to do it well (Mike Bibby and Steve Novak).

 

 

 

Yet there is New York, ranking fifth in defensive efficiency.

 

 

 

The Knicks, we'll remind you, were 21st in this category a year ago. And, although other changes have helped -- most notably drafting perimeter antagonist Iman Shumpert -- it's really been Chandler who has changed everything.

 

 

 

And this time around, we really should have expected it, given that:

 

 

 

• He was the main defensive catalyst in Dallas the season before, when the Mavs improved on defense from 12th to seventh and ended up winning the title.

 

 

 

• A year earlier in Charlotte, although he missed 31 games with injuries, he was a key piece on a Bobcats squad that led the league in defensive efficiency (did, too).

 

 

 

• Before that, in New Orleans, he and the Hornets were a top-10 defensive team in consecutive seasons with Chandler and a whole lot of not much else.

 

 

 

• And before that, in Chicago, a young Chandler led the Bulls to the No. 2 mark in defense in 2004-05.

 

 

 

That's a whole lot of dots that connect Chandler to good-to-great defensive teams. He has led five franchises to defensive results that were far better than anyone expected as well as far beyond what the incumbent group of players had achieved previously.

 

 

 

And it's easy to see why when you watch him. He's incredibly long and mobile; he dominates the glass; he doesn't take bad risks going for blocks he can't get; he's a vocal leader without the Kevin Garnett fake-tough-guy stuff; and he has made steady improvements every year.

 

 

 

Which takes us to our endgame here. I think it's high time that Chandler's track record, as well as his one-man U-turn of the Knicks' defense, gained some recognition. Given the diminishing defensive output of Orlando's Dwight Howard this season, I'm endorsing Chandler as the NBA Defensive Player of the Year this season (while we're at, can we retroactively give him Stoudemire's All-Star spot?) because he's the only thing separating the Knicks from yet another colossally overrated disaster.

 

 

 

The defensive data are always a bit murkier than for offense, so one can make a solid case for several other recipients. Garnett, in particular, has a strong résumé this season, as do perimeter defenders LeBron James, Andre Iguodala and Luol Deng.

 

 

 

But Chandler's numbers back up the idea that he is perhaps the best this season, as does the eye test. Whether anybody is willing to admit it or not, he's been the key to the Knicks' season. It's hard to imagine a high-profile free agent from a world champion coming to New York and getting this little notice, but it's another example of truth being stranger than fiction.

 

 

 

And if he doesn't win? I'll get a bit longer to enjoy a Knick being underrated.

 

 

 

 

Sim, nesse aspecto tens razão, o número de jogos que fez ao longo da época são o principal entrave à conquista do prémio. Agora que a evolução dele foi do mais extraordinário que aconteceu este ano, lá isso foi e é inegável. No entanto, como tu mencionaste, se o facto de ter jogado apenas meia época constituir argumento para a vitória então fico-me pelo Anderson dos Magic.

 

Não vejo porque motivo será assim tão descabida a minha eleição mas pronto.

Avery Bradley, Boston First team:

Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia First team:

LeBron James, Miami First team:

Kevin Garnett, Boston First team:

Tyson Chandler, New York

Lol.

Pode vir quem quiser, é ridículo. O Tyson nem sequer é o melhor C a defender. Não é que seja mau, mas qualquer um mete o Dwight à frente dele, é uma questão de puro bom senso. É melhor... em tudo.

 

Quanto ao MIP é apenas cómico. Dei uma série deles que estariam melhor posicionados que o Lin e ainda existiriam outros. Fez uns quantos jogos a bom nível, mas se fosse por aí considerava o Rubio para RoY e isso nem sequer é aceitável.

[SAS_Robben]

Como Memphis teve muitos anos sem ir aos PO's, torci sempre pelos Spurs nesses tempos.

Adoro a capacidade defensiva do Pop e a sua forma de jogar.

 

btw, Não ponho em causa que o James Harden possa merecer o sixth man mas o OJ Mayo não tem andado longe de merecer.

 

ps: quando digo que torcia pelos Spurs, obviamente que era só na altura dos PO's

Editado 14 Abril 2012 por SAS_Operative