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‘He sucked the culture out of the club’ – the inside story of Jose Mourinho’s downfall at Tottenham Hotspur

It was half-time at the Etihad Stadium on February 13. Tottenham were 1-0 down to Manchester City but had barely been in the game at all. No shots on target, no corners, 35.9 per cent possession.

Jose Mourinho walked in and was unusually positive, telling the players they were doing well and to keep it up. Some of the senior players in the dressing room were shocked that such a passive, negative approach could be right for this club. “You really think this is good?” remarked one. Tottenham did nothing in the second half and lost the game 3-0.

That one moment encapsulated the divide between the players and their head coach, the divide that has finally cost Mourinho his job. His defensive tactics, his reactive training and his repeated public criticism of the players have driven Mourinho apart from the squad, the fans and ultimately Daniel Levy.

While many of the players were pleased to hear of Mourinho’s dismissal on Monday, the only part that surprised them was the timing — six days before they face Manchester City in the Carabao Cup final, and when the rest of the world was discussing the new European Super League that Tottenham have signed up for. The decision was made over the weekend after Friday night’s 2-2 draw at Everton.

Spurs are now five points away from fourth place, a stark contrast from the optimism of November when they were top of the league.

The Mourinho reign at Tottenham has unravelled faster than anyone could have expected six months ago.

The Athletic can reveal how:
 

  • Tottenham players were left bored and untested by his training sessions
  • Most of squad were expecting his sacking
  • Tactics were so obsessed with stopping opposition that players were unsure how to attack
  • Mourinho’s assistant Joao Sacramento was unpopular with the squad
  • The club were unhappy with Mourinho’s criticism of the players and asked him to stop it
  • Mourinho ran out of allies at the club, on and off the pitch
  • Only Harry Kane was loyal to Mourinho at the end
  • His dismissal had nothing to do with the Super League and was based purely on results

The result is that Mourinho, 17 months after his appointment, is now on gardening leave with the rest of his coaching team.

Ryan Mason and Chris Powell will be issuing the orders from the Wembley dugout on Sunday, with chairman Daniel Levy thinking that a new management team gives Spurs the best chance of a strong finish to the season. And, providing that as a Super League club they are not banned, qualification for next season’s European competitions.

The fact that it has ended like this, and this quickly, marks the Mourinho era as one of the most costly mis-steps in Levy’s 20 years running Tottenham.

Having arrived to such high expectations, Mourinho leaves Tottenham in seventh place, and he has not won them a trophy (leaving a job trophyless for the first time since Uniao de Leiria 19 years ago). The football his team has played has been negative and uninspiring. Spurs have not won any new fans during the Mourinho era, and have upset plenty of their traditional ones. Levy was anxious that when fans returned to the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium at the end of the season they would make their feelings about the manager known. Levy has spared Mourinho that indignity.
 


When Tottenham appointed Mourinho, Levy proudly told the Amazon documentary he was “one of top two coaches in the world”.

Mourinho was appointed to replace Mauricio Pochettino, Spurs’ best and most popular manager since Bill Nicholson. Levy hoped that Mourinho would build upon the progress of the Pochettino era and finally win them a trophy. He also hoped that Mourinho would build up the global image of the club, star in Amazon’s behind-the-scenes documentary, and bring new fans to the club. Levy had built a world-class training ground and stadium, and now he finally had his superstar manager to go with it. Levy had considered Carlo Ancelotti that autumn, but Mourinho’s winning aura swung him the job.

If it was a marriage of convenience, it worked for both parties. Mourinho had long seen Tottenham as a model club. They were ambitious, well-run and with a streamlined management. After his political problems at Real Madrid, Chelsea and Manchester United, this was a club with fewer decision-makers in charge. Mourinho sold Tottenham a vision that he was a changed man, that he had learned from his last few failures, and that he would bring Spurs a new era of success.

Mourinho and Levy were very close from the start. Mourinho would discuss everything with Levy, including team selections. Some sources who know Levy thought the Spurs chairman was too close to Mourinho, too pleased with the fact that he had finally appointed one of the biggest names in football to manage his club.

It should be remember that when Mourinho took over, Spurs were in 12th place, their players looking mentally and physically drained by a year in which they had reached but lost the Champions League final in Madrid before seeing the Pochettino era unravel the next season. The squad had needed a rebuild for years and the lack of transfer activity caught up with them. Mourinho lost Kane to a serious hamstring injury six weeks after taking over, and two months after that he faced a three-month coronavirus stoppage.

Mourinho had to guide Spurs through some very difficult waters and the fact that he managed to get the team into sixth place in July 2020 has to go down as a success. But in the summer transfer window Mourinho got plenty of the players that he wanted — Matt Doherty, Joe Hart, Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg, Sergio Reguilon — while Levy landed fan favourite Gareth Bale. As unhappy as Mourinho has been about the failure to sign a new centre-back, the ingredients were there for a far more successful 2020-21 season than Tottenham have actually got.
 


As the reality of Mourinho’s methods became apparent, it did not take long for the Tottenham players to pine for the days of Pochettino.

Under Pochettino the team had a clear philosophy of play which they would work on perfecting every day. Under Mourinho that was out of the window. His approach was to tailor a different approach for every single opponent, to exploit their own distinct weaknesses. Players remarked that as they got closer to every match, the atmosphere was increasingly marked by fear of what might go wrong. Spurs were so fixated on what the opposition might do that they forgot to focus on their own game.

Throughout the Mourinho era, Tottenham looked unsure of what to do with the ball or how to build up play from the back. At times they were still capable of getting good results, because any team with Kane and Son Heung-min up front is still likely to create and score chances. But there was nothing to replace the playing identity that Pochettino had worked on for so long. The players found themselves relying on the same attacking moves Pochettino had taught them, long after he had left the club.

It did not take the Tottenham players to grow bored of Mourinho’s training sessions. They felt weighed down by the defensive focus, the hours spent working on how to defend throw-ins before facing Liverpool, and frustrated by the lack of attention to their own game. For years, Spurs teams of all levels had focused on building up from the back and passing the ball, but for Mourinho that was all forgotten. “He has sucked the culture out of the club,” said one dressing-room source, “and destroyed what Spurs have stood for for years.”

The Spurs players were also struck by the lack of intensity to their training programme. Working under Pochettino was extremely hard, and the players would complain of the number of double sessions, and the lack of days off, as Pochettino and his staff got the team fit enough to play his aggressive pressing football. But the same group of players then felt the opposite was true under Mourinho, that they were not being worked hard enough. They felt as if almost every session was either recovery from one match or tactical preparation for the next one, which made it especially difficult for the players who were not in the team to find any rhythm.

When they got what they felt was a harder week of training before the Wycombe Wanderers FA Cup game in January, the players were even relieved to have been worked hard. They would even joke amongst themselves that training at this intensity could prolong their careers.

In Mourinho’s defence, he had a uniquely difficult season to prepare the players for. Many of them only had a brief break between the end of the 2020-21 season last July and the internationals in September, and Spurs’ progress in the Europa League and Carabao Cup meant that Spurs have played two games each week almost all season. By the end of this compressed season, Spurs will have played 58 official games. The fact that they have escaped with relatively few injuries could be taken as proof that he has managed the workload well.

There is also a sense at the club that the players must bear some real responsibility for the struggles in recent years. The fact that the same squad has made the opposite complaints about Mourinho as they did about Pochettino has not gone unnoticed, nor has the way that the players’ form tailed off at the first sign of trouble. The debate about whether the players or the manager deserve the blame for what has gone wrong has dominated this season, and often been driven by Mourinho’s own attempts to deflect the blame onto his squad. But ultimately it is the manager’s job to get the best out of the players, something Mourinho clearly failed to do.

The players’ frustration with the coaching staff was not limited to their uneasy relationship with Mourinho. Ever since he managed Porto, Mourinho had worked with Rui Faria as his assistant. But after Mourinho was sacked by Manchester United in 2018, Faria wanted a new challenge, and to try being a head coach himself. So Faria did not join Mourinho at Tottenham, going to manage Al Duhail in Qatar instead.

That meant Mourinho needed a new assistant and he decided to appoint Joao Sacremento, a gifted 30-year-old analyst and coach, who had been a protege of Mourinho’s old friend Luis Campos at Monaco and Lille. Sacramento was meant to provide an update to Mourinho’s methods and a link to the players at Spurs.

But in reality Sacramento proved just as unpopular than Mourinho himself. Multiple sources report that the players struggled to connect with him, saying that he lacked the emotional intelligence to deal with a squad of established Premier League stars. Rival coaches also picked up on Sacremento’s lack of experience, especially compared to Faria, with one even remarking to The Athletic how little authority he seemed to have on the touchline, barking tactical instructions to uninterested players. “Sacramento takes a good role in team shape and opposition analysis,” said a more sympathetic source. “But Jose was clearly boss.”
 


When Mourinho was appointed by Tottenham, he arrived as a figure bigger than the club itself. His first few weeks were a media sensation and he relished his image as a serial champion who came to Spurs to teach them how to win. When he spoke to the players, they listened.

Just before the start of this season Eric Dier told The Athletic how much of an impact Mourinho could make with a well-placed comment. “He’s incredible in the way that he pokes you with his words to get the best out of you,” he said. “He’ll say things to you and nudge you, with the idea of triggering you to want to do better, to want to improve or to prove him wrong.”

Dier himself told the story from before Spurs’ trip to Selhurst Park, the last game of the 2019-20 season. Dier had been suspended for the last four games but was eligible to play in this one. Mourinho walked up to Dier in training and said: “You’ve been shit in training since your suspension, do you want to play this weekend?” Mourinho walked off, Dier took this as a “kick up the arse” and played well at Crystal Palace, as Spurs got the draw that sealed sixth place for them.

Tanguy Ndombele is maybe the best example of the success of Mourinho’s methods. When Spurs drew 1-1 at Burnley in March 2020, just before the coronavirus stoppage, Mourinho hooked Ndombele at half-time and hammered him in public afterwards, saying that with Ndombele on the pitch Spurs did not have a midfield. But Ndombele responded well to the challenge and significantly improved his fitness and his performances this year.

But one of the stories of this season was the collapse and ultimate failure of Mourinho’s tactics of “confrontational leadership”, of trying to criticise the players to provoke the right response. What started as a clever trick to keep the players on their toes soon started to grate with the team. Especially when Mourinho made his criticisms in public rather than private. The players felt, as this season wore on, that whatever went wrong they would be blamed for it, and that Mourinho was happy to throw them under the bus. Ahead of the team being announced for the game against Manchester United recently, one club source remarked, “I wonder which lambs will be sent out to slaughter this week”.

It was not always this way. After Spurs lost 3-1 at Sheffield United in July 2020, Mourinho criticised his players’ mentality and the way they caved after a VAR decision went against them. But the players rallied, took 14 points from their last six games, and got back into Europe.

This season, though, Mourinho’s barbs have made things worse rather than better. At the start of the season his anger was at least targeted and appropriate. Of course it helped that, for the first half of the season, Spurs were doing well, scoring goals and, for a few weeks of the season, they were top of the table. When Mourinho went after his players, it felt like a one-off.

When Spurs lost 1-0 at Antwerp in the Europa League in October, Mourinho hooked Dele Alli, Carlos Vinicius, Giovani Lo Celso and Steven Bergwijn at half-time. Mourinho said afterwards that his team selections would be “very easy” from then on, given how his fringe players had performed. But Spurs won their next five games in all competitions and that was swiftly forgotten.
 


When Spurs went to Crystal Palace on December 13, they were 1-0 up at half-time, before dropping back over the course of the second half and conceding a late Jeffrey Schlupp equaliser. At the time it felt like an unlikely result. In retrospect it looks like the turning point of the whole Mourinho reign. Afterwards Mourinho made it clear that the reason Spurs did not win was because the players had failed to follow his instructions. “I told the players what could happen, and it happened,” he said. “I told the players not to accept that kind of game, but for some reason we were not able to do what I asked them to do.” He was right and the players were wrong.

That was the moment when the players started to realise that when anything went wrong, Mourinho would blame them. Even when they won, the players were not safe, as Dele found to his cost when Spurs beat Stoke City in the EFL Cup on 23 December. Dele gave the ball away before Stoke’s equaliser, got hooked by Mourinho and afterwards was told that he should not “create problems for his own team”.

Four days after that Spurs drew 1-1 at Wolves, a game almost identical to the Palace draw, conceding an equaliser with four minutes left. Again the players were blamed for not being good enough to execute Mourinho’s plans. “They know what I asked them at half-time,” he said. “If they couldn’t do better, it’s because they couldn’t do better.”

The start of the new year brought a new target for Mourinho’s ire: the defence. When Spurs threw away yet another 1-0 lead to draw 1-1 at home with Fulham, Mourinho snapped. He said that it was “the same story, basically, from the beginning of the season”, in terms of the bad goals his team was conceding. “There are things that have to be with the characteristics of the players,” he insisted. “They have to do with individual skills, with individual ability. And it is as simple as that.”

Mourinho’s argument was that his defenders were simply not good enough. Even though Toby Aldeweireld had been part of the best defence in the country under Pochettino, so good that Mourinho wanted to sign him for Manchester United in 2018. Dier, another former Mourinho transfer target, was an England international and Davinson Sanchez was rated as one of the most gifted young defenders in the world when Spurs bought him. Mourinho was frustrated that Spurs had failed to sign Ruben Dias from Benfica or Milan Skriniar from Inter Milan the previous summer and he wanted to make a point.

But the problem was that Mourinho had gone far beyond the point of provoking a reaction out of the players. He had hammered the players so many times that they lost all trust in him. The dressing room was increasingly divided. There were more experienced players like Kane, Hojbjerg and Lucas, who responded well to the manager and who continued to perform even when results were falling apart in the last few months. Kane, sources say, would have run through a brick wall for Mourinho even right up to the end. That much was apparent from his two-goal performances against Newcastle United and Everton. On both occasions he tried to win the game single-handedly, and nearly pulled it off.

At the same time, more and more players were alienated by Mourinho’s behaviour. And it was not just Dele and Harry Winks, who were the two who found their playing time most cut down this season. The performances of almost the whole team from January onwards, especially in those three straight defeats to Liverpool, Brighton and Chelsea, spoke of a dressing room which had been sapped of confidence and belief by the manager’s attacks. All of the unity of the Pochettino era had been shattered. “Four or five players absolutely hate him, four or five like him, four or five just aren’t arsed,” said another club source earlier this month. “He just splits the camp, because of what he says and how he says it.”
 


It was not only the dressing room who were unhappy with the way Mourinho spoke to and about the players. That dissatisfaction extended to the club as well.

Tottenham knew how much damage Mourinho was doing through his comments. Staff had been left embarrassed by how Mourinho would talk to the squad. Players such as Doherty had found their confidence shattered by the way the manager would criticise them. And while the club had told Mourinho to stop hammering the players after games, it did not always make a difference.

When Spurs went to the London Stadium to face West Ham United on February 21, they lost yet again. Mourinho again turned the blame away from himself. “I think for a long, long time,” he said in his BBC interview after the game, “we have problems in the team that I cannot resolve by myself as a coach.” Mourinho knew better than to repeat those words in his post-match press conference but yet again the players knew that their manager thought it was their fault and not his.

Mourinho was not universally unpopular. A couple of the club’s younger players, Alfie Devine and Dane Scarlett, regularly trained with Mourinho’s first team and felt encouraged by the manager’s approach. Mourinho stopped by at the medical when Devine joined from Wigan ahead of this season. When the midfielder clashed with Chelsea’s Danny Drinkwater in an under-23 game in December, Mourinho subsequently sought Devine out to praise his character and courage to go up against a high-profile opponent.
There was a brief upturn in results in late February and early March when a series of easier fixtures — and the return of Bale to the first team — offered a sense that things were improving, and Tottenham might be able to leave the misery of the winter behind them. But that all evaporated in Zagreb on March 18.

Tottenham’s 3-0 defeat to Dinamo Zagreb will go down as the nadir of the Mourinho reign but in many ways it was not a surprise. Tottenham froze under pressure, looked clueless as to whether they should attack or defend and ended up losing the game in extra time. It was one of the most humiliating defeats of Mourinho’s whole career.

Predictably enough, Mourinho insisted afterwards that he had prepared his players the right way, and that he had told them to try to win the game on the night rather than sitting on their first-leg lead. He even detailed how he had shown his players goals scored by Mislav Orsic, who scored a hat-trick, to prove that he had not been caught off guard, even if his players had been.

Worse was to come when Hugo Lloris, the long-standing club captain, and a man who chooses his words carefully, revealed the problems and divisions inside the camp in a post-match TV interview. Speaking of a “lack of basics and lack of fundamentals” at the club, Lloris implored his team-mates to “follow the way of the team”. When the players returned to London to prepare for the next game, sources say the atmosphere at the club was “horrendous”.

By this point, Mourinho had few allies left at Tottenham. Not only had he fallen out with the players, but according to multiple sources, many colleagues had been put off by his negative mood and demeanour. More than one source drew a contrast between the approach of Pochettino, who tried to create an inclusive environment and Mourinho, who essentially retreated into his bunker in the final months. As results turned against him, Mourinho found almost no one was left on his side. “You always know what you’re going to get with Mourinho,” said one former colleague. “But it is still very unpleasant when you do get it.”

When things are going against Mourinho he likes to fall back on the grand gesture. Having seemingly exhausted the avenue of criticising the players for a response, the only lever he had left to pull was team selection. When Spurs went to Villa Park just before the international break, Mourinho picked one of his most surprising teams of the season, bringing back Joe Rodon, Japhet Tanganga, Lo Celso and Carlos Vinicius.

Tottenham looked shaky at first but managed to win 2-0. But when Mourinho tried to pick the same team for the trip to St James’ Park he could not reproduce the same shock effect. The players were increasingly inured to Mourinho’s tactics. He could keep trying to shock them but it was no longer having any impact. After seeing his team concede yet another late equaliser, Mourinho made his last but deepest attack on his own team, telling the BBC the difference between now and the defensive stability of his early years was a case of “same coach, different players”.

When another second-half collapse saw Tottenham beaten 3-1 by Manchester United, Mourinho complained about how he was constrained, and no longer able to say what he really thought. “I can’t say what I think,” he said. “You know that. You sometimes want to bring me to deep questions, to deep analysis, but then when I go, I realise that I cannot go.” In his final pre-game press conference ahead of the Everton game, Mourinho boasted about how “after the [United] game you did not get from me one single negative word about the attitude and the commitment of my players.” The message from the club had finally got through to him, but too late to save his job.
 


When Mourinho was unveiled as Tottenham manager in November 2019, he predicted that his team would be able to win the title in the 2020-21 season. But he also issued a warning, one that was to effectively predict his eventual failure. Mourinho argued that modern football is changing faster than ever before, that players are becoming more powerful, and that coaches have to adapt to that.

“It’s modern football,” he said. “When my father was a player, before the Bosman law, the players used to play 20 years in the same club. The same player next to him, the same guy in the dressing room, the same centre-back in front of the keeper, for 15, 20 years. After the Bosman law, everything changed. In relation to us coaches, in some parts because of you (the media), we lost that stability, it’s lots of pressure.

“Even for the nature of society now, it looks like everything is fast, even the relationships are fast. Players can get tired of each other, they can get tired of the manager. Everything looks like it’s faster, so we need to change.”

The story of Mourinho’s career is that he enjoyed great success in his first decade, working with a generation of players who have now all retired: Deco, Ricardo Carvalho, John Terry, Frank Lampard, Didier Drogba, Wesley Sneijder, Diego Milito and the rest. But the next generation of players — the millennials and Gen Z players — simply do not react well to his methods.

That was true at Real Madrid, where he won the league but fell badly out with the dressing room. That was true back at Chelsea, where again he won the title before his reign collapsed in the third season amid what Michael Emenalo called “palpable discord”.

And it was certainly true at Manchester United, where Mourinho was not able to get through to Paul Pogba, Marcus Rashford, Luke Shaw, Anthony Martial and the rest. His time at Manchester United was not a complete failure — he won a League Cup and a Europa League — but he was not able to compete with Manchester City, and he left another toxic mess behind him at Old Trafford, with the fans at odds with the players. Pogba’s comments to Sky Sports last week show how much more the United players enjoy playing for Solskjaer than for Mourinho.

“I like Jose, but he is disconnected from the new generation of players, and from the new generation of coaches,” says one leading coach. “But he is stuck in his ways.”

At Tottenham, Mourinho ultimately found himself trapped in the same dynamic. His methods only produced a brief upturn in form — not long enough to win anything — before they started to alienate the rest of the dressing room. The players did not like being talked to as Mourinho talked to them, they did not enjoy his football or his training sessions. The pattern of Mourinho’s reign at United and Tottenham was precisely the same. The players got tired of the manager, just as Mourinho predicted himself.

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Boa leitura.

Sinto muita pena pelo Mourinho, por tudo o que fez e da forma que fez, ainda mais quando vi o Cândido Costa no Sagrado Balneário (genial, recomendo a quem ainda não viu) a falar da forma como ele motivava os jogadores, basicamente o insucesso do Mourinho explica-se facilmente com a questão geracional.

Parece uma desculpa fácil, mas um gajo que lê o jogo como ele, que prevê e antecipa, não desaprendeu de um dia para o outro, hoje em dia, generalizando para as superestrelas do futebol, já ninguém quer ser treinado por um gajo que venha citar o Gladiador e que faça reverse psichology, muito limitados e mentes fechadas hoje em dia...

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Aposto que é falta de capacidade de motivação que obriga 11 jogadores a estacionar o autocarro, a bombear bolas para frente, sem ponta de fio de jogo, criatividade ou tentativa de qualquer futebol "positivo" e depois é toda aquela sensação que quem está no ataque está literalmente a improvisar porque parece que não aprendem movimentações sem bola ou como desorganizar a oposição com bola, por exemplo. 

Mas o problema é que esta filosofia de m*rda foi sempre assim, só o fanboy é que nunca reparou porque os titulos apareceram. As duas finais da CL que ganhou são exemplos muito obvios e a forma como abordou o Atlético de Madrid na semis da CL no seu regresso ao Chelsea foi igual (aliás até demonstra a regressão nos resultados: dominou o Monaco em 2004, foi dominado pelo Bayern mas ganhou em 2010 e depois levou banho de bola do Atlético e perdeu em 2014).

Estamos em 2021 e salvo casos extremos de diferença qualitativa, ninguém tolera que um jogador tenha de abdicar de todos os seus principios futebolísticos para conseguir ganhar um jogo e é isso que acontece com o Mourinho ano após ano. 

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Citação de Kimi Raikkonen, há 34 minutos:

Aposto que é falta de capacidade de motivação que obriga 11 jogadores a estacionar o autocarro, a bombear bolas para frente, sem ponta de fio de jogo, criatividade ou tentativa de qualquer futebol "positivo" e depois é toda aquela sensação que quem está no ataque está literalmente a improvisar porque parece que não aprendem movimentações sem bola ou como desorganizar a oposição com bola, por exemplo. 

Mas o problema é que esta filosofia de m*rda foi sempre assim, só o fanboy é que nunca reparou porque os titulos apareceram. As duas finais da CL que ganhou são exemplos muito obvios e a forma como abordou o Atlético de Madrid na semis da CL no seu regresso ao Chelsea foi igual (aliás até demonstra a regressão nos resultados: dominou o Monaco em 2004, foi dominado pelo Bayern mas ganhou em 2010 e depois levou banho de bola do Atlético e perdeu em 2014).

Estamos em 2021 e salvo casos extremos de diferença qualitativa, ninguém tolera que um jogador tenha de abdicar de todos os seus principios futebolísticos para conseguir ganhar um jogo e é isso que acontece com o Mourinho ano após ano. 

O Mourinho não tem falta de capacidade de motivação, bem pelo contrário, a diferença para hoje é que os jogadores não estão para aí virados.

Mesmo não me identificando com o estilo de jogo que o Mourinho vem implementando nas suas equipas não posso concordar contigo porque a mim parece-me uma visão e perspetiva diferente do jogo.

Quantos treinadores avisam ao intervalo que o Pogba pode sacar uma assistência do meio campo a rasgar a equipa toda e isso acontece mesmo? O Mourinho sabe preparar e organizar as equipas talvez em detrimento do futebol mais "positivo" como referes mas... é uma ideia de jogo, uma táctica, uma mentalidade... é a perceção dele de como as coisas devem ser feitas, e se chegou onde chegou deve perceber alguma coisa disto.

 

Basta ver o documentário da Amazon, Dele Alli foi praticamente o caso do Pogba.. Muitos jogadores não aceitam aquele tipo de crítica aos seus desempenhos no treino e jogo, quando o objetivo do treinador é que eles se debrucem e pensem no porquê de terem ouvido aquilo e galvanizarem no próximo jogo em vez de ficarem todos ofendidos e cabisbaixos porque um gajo que já ganhou mais troféus que toda a gente naquele clube lhes disse que se tão a cagar para os treinos.

Apenas para finalizar, os jogadores abdicam de muitos dos seus princípios futebolísticos quando entram smartphones e quando se filmam stories no balneário, quando vai cada um a ouvir a sua música no autocarro a caminho do Estádio, esse tipo de coisas pode não ser prejudicial, mas não fomenta a união de grupo, no final do dia cada um vai para sua mansão e para semana há mais.

Caraças é que no meu entender até o Messi abdicar dum penalty para o Suárez ultrapassar o Ronaldo na corrida à bota de ouro é para mim um dos melhores jogadores abdicar do seu principal principio futebolístico como avançado...

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Não será um bocado as duas coisas? O futebol evoluiu muito estes últimos 15 anos, passou a ser cada vez mais importante a organização planeada com bola, e o nível táctico dos adversários aumentou brutalmente, logo é muito mais difícil ter uma vantagem táctica só pelo lado de tentar ser bom a nulificar adversários. Ao mesmo tempo a geração de jogadores é outra e as personalidades são outras. 

Aliás o Mourinho sempre viveu muito do culto de personalidade que construiu à volta dele. A partir do momento que deixa de ganhar, esse culto de personalidade perde muita força. Depois a questão do filme ser sempre o mesmo e tentar sempre inventar razões para se colocar na posição de vítima de que o mundo tá contra ele e a equipa que ele treina... Pá isso cola à primeira ou segunda, mas não à quinta ou sexta.. Todos os anos é a mesma coisa 

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Não será um bocado as duas coisas? O futebol evoluiu muito estes últimos 15 anos, passou a ser cada vez mais importante a organização planeada com bola, e o nível táctico dos adversários aumentou brutalmente, logo é muito mais difícil ter uma vantagem táctica só pelo lado de tentar ser bom a nulificar adversários. Ao mesmo tempo a geração de jogadores é outra e as personalidades são outras. 

Aliás o Mourinho sempre viveu muito do culto de personalidade que construiu à volta dele. A partir do momento que deixa de ganhar, esse culto de personalidade perde muita força. Depois a questão do filme ser sempre o mesmo e tentar sempre inventar razões para se colocar na posição de vítima de que o mundo tá contra ele e a equipa que ele treina... Pá isso cola à primeira ou segunda, mas não à quinta ou sexta.. Todos os anos é a mesma coisa 

É um misto dos dois sim, mas daí à carreira do Mourinho ser resumida a "isto"..

Acho que a influência da postura dele vai sempre depender do contexto em que o clube se insere no panorama nacional: um Tottenham vinha de uma UCL perdida, com um plantel que já era formado por vedetas e em que todos se viam com muita proximidade e ele era o corpo estranho contratado com a missão de os fazer dar o salto qualitativo. Logo aí, havia a expectativa de que o sucesso acabaria por chegar a curto prazo. Não chegando, é aí que o plantel deixa de acreditar.

 

O futebol que o Mourinho dominou tinha Lampard, Drogba, Zanetti, jogadores com outra postura e mentalidade e fiquei com a ideia que o Zlatan (um dos poucos jogadores no mundo que ainda tem presença e impõe respeito) no United ajuda-o bastante a meter o plantel na linha.

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Citação de Ricardo™, há 9 minutos:

É um misto dos dois sim, mas daí à carreira do Mourinho ser resumida a "isto"..

Acho que a influência da postura dele vai sempre depender do contexto em que o clube se insere no panorama nacional: um Tottenham vinha de uma UCL perdida, com um plantel que já era formado por vedetas e em que todos se viam com muita proximidade e ele era o corpo estranho contratado com a missão de os fazer dar o salto qualitativo. Logo aí, havia a expectativa de que o sucesso acabaria por chegar a curto prazo. Não chegando, é aí que o plantel deixa de acreditar.

 

O futebol que o Mourinho dominou tinha Lampard, Drogba, Zanetti, jogadores com outra postura e mentalidade e fiquei com a ideia que o Zlatan no United ajuda-o bastante a meter o plantel na linha.

O problema do Mourinho é que não dá para treinar de 2004 até 2012 para sempre. O futebol evolui, os jogadores evoluem, a sociedade evolui e ele permanece igual.

O problema não é ele ter treinado Lampard, Drogba, Zanetti ou Zlatan. O problema é ele ter treinado esses jogadores no início da década e achar que consegue replicar os mesmos comportamentos passados 10 ou 15 anos.

Resumindo, o problema do Mourinho é ser um dinossauro numa altura onde já se está na revolução industrial. O que permite aos treinadores continuarem a ter sucesso e a serem relevantes é a forma como se ligam a sua equipa e estabelecem esse elo emocional e o Mourinho é demasiado teimoso em ser old school e não perceber que os jogadores de hoje em dia não cresceram da mesma forma que os de há 10 anos atrás nem reagem aos estímulos da mesma forma.

Fosse o problema os smartphones, as redes sociais, a música ou as mansões e ninguém era campeão. Isso são coisas completamente banais em qualquer grupo que jogue a bola hoje.

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O problema do Mourinho é que não dá para treinar de 2004 até 2012 para sempre. O futebol evolui, os jogadores evoluem, a sociedade evolui e ele permanece igual.

O problema não é ele ter treinado Lampard, Drogba, Zanetti ou Zlatan. O problema é ele ter treinado esses jogadores no início da década e achar que consegue replicar os mesmos comportamentos passados 10 ou 15 anos.

Resumindo, o problema do Mourinho é ser um dinossauro numa altura onde já se está na revolução industrial. O que permite aos treinadores continuarem a ter sucesso e a serem relevantes é a forma como se ligam a sua equipa e estabelecem esse elo emocional e o Mourinho é demasiado teimoso em ser old school e não perceber que os jogadores de hoje em dia não cresceram da mesma forma que os de há 10 anos atrás nem reagem aos estímulos da mesma forma.

Fosse o problema os smartphones, as redes sociais, a música ou as mansões e ninguém era campeão. Isso são coisas completamente banais em qualquer grupo que jogue a bola hoje.

bold: Dificilmente, supondo que os jogadores das 20 equipas da Premier tivessem todos esse hábito (90% de probabilidade de ser mesmo assim) alguma delas teria de ser inevitavelmente campeã.

Acho que o Mourinho sente mais a diferença de gerações que outros treinadores por ser como é, e se ele quer promover a união, o nós contra o mundo, etc. é preciso que os jogadores tenham a cabeça no balneário e nos objetivos a que se propuseram e não no telemóvel assim que o jogo acaba.

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O Mourinho quando começou a ter sucesso como treinador principal lançou um livro a meias com um jornalista, com o título "Mourinho: Porquê Tantas Vitórias?".

Nesse livro dedicaram quase metade do espaço a dar exemplos de como os outros treinadores da Liga Portuguesa de então preparavam as equipas - coisas como irem correr para a mata ou para a praia, de atarem os centrais com uma corda para treinarem o posicionamento a dois, de andarem quinze dias a dar saltinhos sem tocarem uma vez na bola, coisas do género - e comparavam com o que o Mourinho fazia para mostrar como este era inovador por oposição aos antiquados métodos que os outros aplicavam.

Ele se calhar já nem se lembra desse livro, mas volta e meia lembro-me disso quando vejo algum jogo das equipas do Mourinho. É que hoje, o Mourinho passa por um desses antiquados treinadores que tão cascados foram no livro.

Só não lhe acontece figurar de forma pouco abonatória num livro do género porque nenhum dos grandes treinadores da atualidade tem um ego tão grande como o do Mourinho da altura para fazer algo assim.

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Citação de Harry Kane, há 6 horas:


 

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Onde está o @Che para nos falar da entrevista do Mourinho a dizer que já não liga muito à parte do treino.

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Citação de DS7, há 8 horas:

Onde está o @Che para nos falar da entrevista do Mourinho a dizer que já não liga muito à parte do treino.

O início do fim da carreira do Mourinho.

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Citação de Carlos Gouveia, há 6 horas:

O Mourinho de hoje era humilhado pelo Mourinho de há ~15 anos. É nem se trata de estar anacrónico, ele regrediu mesmo.

Concordo a 100%, mas para mim, mais do que capacidade de nao evoluir, esta mais o nao querer evoluir.

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Ele não quer treinar. Acha que fazer bullying aos jogadores é suficiente para alcançar qualquer tipo de sucesso desportivo. 

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Citação de Sumudica by Night, há 2 minutos:

Mas está com saudades de quando tinha chama, a julgar pelo instagram dele.

Self-promotion no seu melhor.

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