Estórias da História

[Black Hawk]

Citação de Burkina2008, há 4 horas:

 

Obrigado aos dois

E normalmente o programa seria diferente noutras universidades europeias? americanas?

Voces nao sentem uma "lacuna" por existirem partes geograficas que nao sao estudadas? (eu sei que seria necessario mais 10 semestres para caber 1% do que pode ser estudado)

Não conhecendo em pormenor os programas de História noutras paragens, diria não ficar admirado se na Europa forem eurocêntricos na mesma linha dos nossos, adaptados claro às especificidades de cada país.

Na América não faço mesmo ideia.

[Ghelthon]

Vi esta pergunta no Reddit e pareceu-me uma questão interessante: como seria Portugal hoje se o Hitler tivesse ganho a guerra?

[kareca]

the man in the high castle?

[Ghelthon]

Citação de kareca, há 7 horas:

the man in the high castle?

Também vi essa resposta, nunca li o livro. 😅

Para quem quiser discutir e tenha lido, pf não spoilem o livro.

[Petar Musa]

Hoje no Observador falavam do Miguelismo e, um dos convidados era um historiador que falou das cortes de Lamego como se fosse algo que tivesse existido 😭

[Hammerfall]

Citação de Black Hawk, Em 24/01/2023 at 22:33:

O D. Duarte, coitado, será menosprezado para sempre, mas foi um óptimo rei. O Filipe I estar na linha dos seus sucessores é injusto, ele até foi um bom rei e respeitou a autonomia de Portugal.

Globalmente, está OK. Uns talvez uma linha acima ou abaixo, mas não há nada demasiado grave que se possa criticar.

Tenho ideia que D. Dinis foi o melhor rei que tivemos, concordas?

[Black Hawk]

Citação de Hammerfall, há 2 horas:

Tenho ideia que D. Dinis foi o melhor rei que tivemos, concordas?

Sou Team D. João II.

[Jamarcus]

Citação de Black Hawk, há 35 minutos:

Sou Team D. João II.

Porquê? Sou um nabo nisto. Sei os reis todos, mas sei pouco sobre o impacto positivo/negativo que tiveram.

[whatever]

Citação de Gilberto Carlos, há 4 horas:

Hoje no Observador falavam do Miguelismo e, um dos convidados era um historiador que falou das cortes de Lamego como se fosse algo que tivesse existido 😭

Tendo em conta o contexto acaba por fazer sentido. :mrgreen:

[Lebohang]

Citação de Black Hawk, há 6 horas:

Sou Team D. João II.

[Black Hawk]

Citação de Jamarcus, Em 21/06/2023 at 16:10:

Porquê? Sou um nabo nisto. Sei os reis todos, mas sei pouco sobre o impacto positivo/negativo que tiveram.

O homem transformou Portugal num estado moderno. Em tendo tempo faço um post mais detalhado, mas há um Portugal antes e depois dele.

[bmfpcdm]

 

Artigo do Washington Post: Revealing the Smithsonian's 'Racial Brain Collection'

[Petar Musa]

O José Rodrigues dos Santos está "pegado" com os gajos do Falando de História:

José Rodrigues dos Santos responde a críticas: “Colombo, fascismo e História”

[challenger]

 

[Lebohang]

https://expresso.pt/podcasts/a-historia-repete-se/2023-11-01-1-de-novembro-de-1755-o-dia-em-que-Lisboa-caiu-por-terra.-Episodio-com-Rui-Tavares-d417e26f

[Puto Perdiz]

Citação de Black Hawk, Em 23/06/2023 at 18:45:

O homem transformou Portugal num estado moderno. Em tendo tempo faço um post mais detalhado, mas há um Portugal antes e depois dele.

ainda estamos à espera

[antifa]

Citação de Lebohang, há 22 horas:

https://expresso.pt/podcasts/a-historia-repete-se/2023-11-01-1-de-novembro-de-1755-o-dia-em-que-Lisboa-caiu-por-terra.-Episodio-com-Rui-Tavares-d417e26f

Esse podcast é excelente

[kareca]

A voz de um deles é igualzinha à do Milhazes.
E o episodio das touradas quase me converteu.

Editado 2 Novembro 2023 por kareca

[Lebohang]

[A História repete-se] Depois de 60 anos sob domínio espanhol, Portugal recuperou a independência. O que aconteceu antes do dia 1 de dezembro de 1640?

[Axadrezado]

Citação de Puto Perdiz, Em 01/11/2023 at 17:09:

ainda estamos à espera

João sucedeu ao seu pai após a sua abdicação em 1477, mas só ascendeu ao trono após a sua morte, em 1481.[1] Concentrou então o poder em si, retirando-o à aristocracia. Nas conspirações que se seguiram suprimiu o poder da casa de Bragança e apunhalou pelas suas próprias mãos o seu primo Diogo, Duque de Viseu.

[Lebohang]

[A História repete-se] O ultimato britânico que fez Portugal “marchar contra os bretões”: como se chegou a uma tensão quase bélica com o Reino Unido?

[bmfpcdm]

Tenho estado a ler "The Ideology of Slavery: Proslavery Thought in the Antebellum South, 1830-1860" e ooph...

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"(...) In our southern slave-holding country, the question of emancipation had never been seriously discussed in any of our legislatures, until the whole subject, under the most exciting circumstances, was, during the last winter, brought up for discussion in the Virginia legislature, and plans of partial or total abolition were earnestly pressed upon the attention of that body. It is well known, that during the last summer, in the county of Southampton in Virginia, a few slaves, led on by Nat Turner, rose in the night, and murdered in the most inhuman and shocking manner between sixty and seventy of the unsuspecting whites of that county. The news of course was rapidly diffused, and with it consternation and dismay were spread throughout the state, destroying for a time all feeling of security and confidence, and even when subsequent development had proven, that the conspiracy had originated with a fanatic negro preacher, (whose confessions prove beyond a doubt mental aberration,) and that this conspiracy embraced but few slaves, all of whom had paid the penalty of their crimes, still the excitement remained, still the repose of the commonwealth was disturbed, for the ghastly horrors of the Southampton tragedy could not immediately be banished from the mind. Rumour, with her thousand tongues, was busily engaged in spreading tales of disaffection, plots, insurrections, and even massacres, which frightened the timid, and harassed and mortified the whole of the slave-holding population. During this period of excitement, when reason was almost banished from the mind, and the imagination was suffered to conjure up the most appalling phantoms, and picture to itself a crisis in the vista of futurity, when the overwhelming numbers of the blacks would rise superior to all restraint, and involve the finest portion of our land in universal ruin and desolation, we are not to wonder that even in the lower part of Virginia many should have seriously inquired, if this supposed monstrous evil could not be removed from her bosom. Some looked to the removal of the free people of colour, by the efforts of the Colonization Society, as an antidote to all our ills; some were disposed to strike at the root of the evil, to call on the general government for aid, and by the labours of Hercules to extirpate the curse of slavery from the land; and others again, who could not bear that Virginia should stand towards the general government (whose unconstitutional action she had ever been foremost to resist) in the attitude of a suppliant, looked forward to the legislative action of the state as capable of achieving the desired result. In this degree of excitement and apprehension, the legislature met, and plans for abolition were proposed and earnestly advocated in debate.

Upon the impropriety of this debate we beg leave to make a few observations. Any scheme of abolition proposed so soon after the Southampton tragedy, would necessarily appear to be the result of that most inhuman massacre. Suppose the negroes, then, to be really anxious for their emancipation, no matter on what terms, would not the extraordinary effect produced on the legislature by the Southampton insurrection, in all probability have a tendency to excite another? And we must recollect, from the nature of things, no plan of abolition could act suddenly on the whole mass of slave population in the state.… Waiting, then, one year or more until the excitement could be allayed, and the empire of reason could once more have been established, would surely have been productive of no injurious consequences, and in the mean time a legislature could have been selected which would much better have represented the views and wishes of their constituents on this vital question. Virginia could have ascertained the sentiments and wishes of other slave-holding states, whose concurrence, if not absolutely necessary, might be highly desirable, and should have been sought after and attended to, at least as a matter of state courtesy. Added to this, the texture of the legislature was not of that character calculated to ensure the confidence of the people in a movement of this kind. If ever there was a question debated in a deliberative body, which called for the most exalted talent, the longest and most tried experience, the utmost circumspection and caution, a complete exemption from prejudice and undue excitement where both are apt to prevail, an ardent and patriotic desire to advance the vital interests of the state, uncombined with all mere desire for vain and ostentatious display, and with no view to party or geographical divisions, that question was the question of the abolition of slavery in the Virginia legislature. “Grave and reverend seniors,” “the very fathers of the republic,” were indeed required for the settlement of one of such magnitude. It appears, however, that the legislature was composed of an unusual number of young and inexperienced members, elected in the month of April previous to the Southampton massacre, and at a time of profound tranquility and repose, when of course the people were not disposed to call from their retirement their most distinguished and experienced citizens.(...)"

Excerto de um ensaio do Thomas Roderick Dew.

Outro:

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"(...) Indeed, it is a calamity to mankind, that zealous and overheated philanthropists will not suffer the truth to circulate, when believed hostile to their visionary schemes.… “There is a time for all things,” and nothing in this world should be done before its time. An emancipation of our slaves would check at once that progress of improvement, which is now so manifest among them. The whites would either gradually withdraw, and leave whole districts or settlements in their possession, in which case they would sink rapidly in the scale of civilization; or the blacks, by closer intercourse, would bring the whites down to their level. In the contact between the civilized and uncivilized man, all history and experience show, that the former will be sure to sink to the level of the latter. In these cases it is always easier to descend than ascend, and nothing will prevent the facilis descensus but slavery. The great evil, however, of these schemes of emancipation, remains yet to be told. They are admirably calculated to excite plots, murders, and insurrections; whether gradual or rapid in their operation, this is the inevitable tendency. In the former case, you disturb the quiet and contentment of the slave who is left unemancipated; and he becomes the midnight murderer to gain that fatal freedom whose blessings he does not comprehend. In the latter case, want and invidious distinction will prompt to revenge. Two totally different races, as we have before seen, cannot easily harmonize together; and although we have no idea that any organized plan of insurrection or rebellion can ever secure for the black the superiority, even when free, yet his idleness will produce want and worthlessness, and his very worthlessness and degradation will stimulate him to deeds of rapine and vengeance; he will oftener engage in plots and massacres, and thereby draw down on his devoted head the vengeance of the provoked whites. But one limited massacre is recorded in Virginia history; let her liberate her slaves, and every year you would hear of insurrections and plots, and every day would perhaps record a murder; the melancholy tale of Southampton would not alone blacken the page of our history, and make the tender mother shed the tear of horror over her babe as she clasped it to her bosom; others of a deeper die would thicken upon us; those regions where the brightness of polished life has dawned and brightened into full day, would relapse into darkness, thick and full of horrors.… Do not all these appalling examples but too eloquently tell the consequences of emancipation, and bid us well beware how we enter on any system which will be almost certain to bring down ruin and degradation on both the whites and the blacks? (...)"

 

Editado 12 Fevereiro 2024 por bmfpcdm

[Bashir]

Um blog que apanhei num comentário do Reddit hoje.

https://restosdecoleccao.blogspot.com/2013/02/armazens-nascimento-e-cafe-palladium.html

O post do link é relativo ao edificio onde a FNAC de Sta Catarina está, e que vai fechar, mas tem muitos outros tesourinhos.

[Lebohang]

Como a conquista de Ceuta deu início à expansão portuguesa, apenas 30 anos depois da batalha de Aljubarrota

[antifa]

Citação de Lebohang, há 21 horas:

Como a conquista de Ceuta deu início à expansão portuguesa, apenas 30 anos depois da batalha de Aljubarrota

Mais um episódio muito bom. Gosto da forma descontraída com que desmontam os mitos da história, por exemplo como o início das descobertas foi um acaso. Também não fazia ideia daquela questão do Infante D. Henrique ter sido convidado para liderar exércitos por 3 ou 4 nações diferentes após a conquista de Ceuta, e dá para imaginar como a história podia ter sido diferente se isso tivesse acontecido em vez de se ter focado no mar.

Btw fiquei curioso com a descoberta da Madeira e como a ilha seria antes de chegarem lá, há um algum texto porreiro a contar isso? 

Editado 14 Março 2024 por antifa